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A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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It took a while to get to, but I liked this part:

In modern times, the Y combinator has been made famous by the Y Combinator startup accelerator, named that way by Paul Graham (who had been a longtime enthusiast of functional programming and the LISP programming language—and had written an early web store using it) because (as he once told me) “nobody understands the Y combinator”. (Needless to say, Y Combinator is all about avoiding having companies go to fixed points…)

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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A real shame that Wolfram gives credence to "handwriting analysis" pseudoscience in what is otherwise an interesting piece. > “The writing style is entirely different. Personality-wise, the writer of sample B has a quicker, more intuitive thinking style than the one of sample A.” How can anybody of Wolfram's intelligence unquestioningly accept this nonsense?

That question is actually interesting when not viewed as rethorical.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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If you're in London and in any way interested in computing history, you owe it to yourself to visit Bletchley Park. It's a fantastic day visit from London. (About an hour away or so via the railway, as I remember it.) There's a direct train from Paddington, iirc. UK people please fill in.

It's not too far from Luton airport, so you might be able to combine a visit with you transfer from or to the airport.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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A real shame that Wolfram gives credence to "handwriting analysis" pseudoscience in what is otherwise an interesting piece. > “The writing style is entirely different. Personality-wise, the writer of sample B has a quicker, more intuitive thinking style than the one of sample A.” How can anybody of Wolfram's intelligence unquestioningly accept this nonsense?

Because handwriting analysts tell people they are an accepted branch of psychology and there is not enough time in the day to question everything. At some point, I heard handwriting analysis was pseudoscience, so I looked into it and they were right. I've not looked into whether quantum physics is pseudoscience because the people in my life who appear to be experts in the subject tell me it's real and I don't feel like pursuing a physics degree to tell if they're full of it. Regardless of the perception you have of yourself as a critical thinker, for most things we accept thinds as true by default and only flag certain suspicious things for further criticism.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, I think it's pretty easy to judge the value of not easily testable wacky conjectures. I don't think much of Penrose's idea that brains are quantum gravitic computers either, and that is vastly more close to being testable, and Penrose's achievements and track record in actual science are also vastly more impressive. Putting that aside; computer guys seem to think "computability" is important in physics. I do…

The conjecture that our universe is isomorphic to a CA is absolutely testable. When we find a CA that behaves just like the universe, we'll know it's true. If we find a completely different way of computing it that doesn't map to a CA, we'll know it's false. Computable physics would be extremely useful. Even with coarse approximations you can only integrate the Schrödinger equation among hundreds of particles. So you…

> If we find a completely different way of computing it that doesn't map to a CA, we'll know it's false.

This is wrong. You would have to additionally prove that the other thing is the only alternative.

Also, CA is not testable in the sense that the theory of relativity is testable. The latter makes measurable predictions that can be satisfied, the former does not. I can imagine any model - unicorns and fairies included - and say that is behaves like the universe. The only way to falsify my claim is to empirically contradict one of my claims. NKS does not put forth such claims. Not the kind you would build a new CERN for.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno, I think it's pretty easy to judge the value of not easily testable wacky conjectures. I don't think much of Penrose's idea that brains are quantum gravitic computers either, and that is vastly more close to being testable, and Penrose's achievements and track record in actual science are also vastly more impressive. Putting that aside; computer guys seem to think "computability" is important in physics. I do…

The conjecture that our universe is isomorphic to a CA is absolutely testable. When we find a CA that behaves just like the universe, we'll know it's true. If we find a completely different way of computing it that doesn't map to a CA, we'll know it's false. Computable physics would be extremely useful. Even with coarse approximations you can only integrate the Schrödinger equation among hundreds of particles. So you…

That's not how falsifiability works.

>"If we find a completely different way of computing [the universe]"

We can only compute models of the universe. If a model apparently never contradicts our observations of the universe, then we lazily identify the universe with the model within casual contexts, but we don't actually take that as Absolute Truth. Thus, within appropriate contexts, we might speak as if the "forces" of Newton are actual platonic things, as if the arrows in a freshman physics textbook actually exist and could poke you in the eye. But they don't, they are merely a model.

So, suppose we discover tomorrow a new equation which seems to match all observations, and which we can formally prove transcends CAs. Well, we'll never know whether or not tomorrow we'll find an instance where that new equation breaks down, and has to be replaced by an updated equation which IS computable by CAs. Thus, your supposed "test" is not a test at all.

>Computable physics would be extremely useful. Even with coarse approximations you can only integrate the Schrödinger equation among hundreds of particles

You seem to be confusing "computable" with "efficiently computable" or something. A function can be computable but still be prohibitively expensive to compute.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The conjecture that our universe is isomorphic to a CA is absolutely testable. When we find a CA that behaves just like the universe, we'll know it's true. If we find a completely different way of computing it that doesn't map to a CA, we'll know it's false. Computable physics would be extremely useful. Even with coarse approximations you can only integrate the Schrödinger equation among hundreds of particles. So you…

> If we find a completely different way of computing it that doesn't map to a CA, we'll know it's false. This is wrong. You would have to additionally prove that the other thing is the only alternative. Also, CA is not testable in the sense that the theory of relativity is testable. The latter makes measurable predictions that can be satisfied, the former does not. I can imagine any model - unicorns and fairies inclu…

A CA model of physics would certainly make measurable predictions, probably including some surprising ones that would suggest experiments to confirm them.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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A real shame that Wolfram gives credence to "handwriting analysis" pseudoscience in what is otherwise an interesting piece. > “The writing style is entirely different. Personality-wise, the writer of sample B has a quicker, more intuitive thinking style than the one of sample A.” How can anybody of Wolfram's intelligence unquestioningly accept this nonsense?

I write a lot. I can tell from my own experience that what I'm feeling when I write translates into my handwriting in subtle ways. You may object to some particular method that I'm unaware of, but I don't think "handwriting analysis" in general is absurd. It's data and so there are models of it and inferences.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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A real shame that Wolfram gives credence to "handwriting analysis" pseudoscience in what is otherwise an interesting piece. > “The writing style is entirely different. Personality-wise, the writer of sample B has a quicker, more intuitive thinking style than the one of sample A.” How can anybody of Wolfram's intelligence unquestioningly accept this nonsense?

Your assertion that Wolfram "unquestioningly accepted this nonsense" is unfounded.

Ignore the personality assessment element. Wolfram sought to identify whose handwriting the note was, so he asked a "professional handwriting examiner" that he happened to know. The quote you extracted was her relaying her opinion that the note was not written by Turing.

Re: A book from Alan Turing and a mysterious piece of paper

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The conjecture that our universe is isomorphic to a CA is absolutely testable. When we find a CA that behaves just like the universe, we'll know it's true. If we find a completely different way of computing it that doesn't map to a CA, we'll know it's false. Computable physics would be extremely useful. Even with coarse approximations you can only integrate the Schrödinger equation among hundreds of particles. So you…

That's not how falsifiability works. >"If we find a completely different way of computing [the universe]" We can only compute models of the universe. If a model apparently never contradicts our observations of the universe, then we lazily identify the universe with the model within casual contexts, but we don't actually take that as Absolute Truth. Thus, within appropriate contexts, we might speak as if the "forces"…

OK, I agree that finding a non-CA way of computing physics doesn't necessarily rule out a future CA model being better.

Current physics models (integrating the Schrödinger equation) aren't computable even in principle, because they involve infinite continuous vector spaces. So a CA model is a theoretical breakthrough because it's computable, even if it's not efficient.

Numerically integrating the Schrödinger equation scales exponentially in the number of quantum states, while the CAs proposed in NKS only scale with the volume of space, so there is some size of system where it'll beat numerical integration.

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