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Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by pizza234 »

willis936 wrote: post #14
owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

A serious and legitimate gripe with windows is how messy it is to automate things. It's hard to look at the command prompt the same way I look at bash. I resort to almost anything other than batch when I can.

As Joel Spolsky put:

> What are the cultural differences between Unix and Windows programmers? There are many details and subtleties, but for the most part it comes down to one thing: Unix culture values code which is useful to other programmers, while Windows culture values code which is useful to non-programmers.

See https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2003/12/14/biculturalism.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

I'm not a real power user - so my only real grudge with Windows 10 at that moment is the fact that control panel is a bifurcated mess - I really just want to get back to the classic window control, but I have to fight through the windows 10 UI until I get there.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by zsrxx »

owenwil wrote: post #12
zsrxx wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

See, your comment is the typical comment of someone who comes from macOS. The angry posts come from people who've been using Windows since forever.

I was historically a Windows user and started my career as a Windows sysadmin for a few years—I switched to macOS for a few years and came back as it became increasingly buggy and Microsoft's development story changed. The complaints seem to come from heavily technical folks that think LTSB branches are reasonable things for normal people to run. I wouldn't want to run one on my own machine.

I've been using LTSC/LTSB for years. What's wrong with it?

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by Numberwang »

zsrxx wrote: post #4
owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

See, your comment is the typical comment of someone who comes from macOS. The angry posts come from people who've been using Windows since forever.

I've been on Windows since forever and could not be happier. It's a great OS and apart from 10 minutes of customization it works fine. If I was on Linus I'd spend all my time on configurations and customization instead of more important things.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by mikelyons »

zsrxx wrote: post #4
owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

See, your comment is the typical comment of someone who comes from macOS. The angry posts come from people who've been using Windows since forever.

I was a windows guy, then did the "I got a mac and never looked back" and now I'm back on windows 10 and, yes I'm pissed off, but this comment is pretty well realistic. People have a tendency to say "never" when you really shouldn't say never.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by STRiDEX »

gibspaulding wrote: post #3

There's some really great info in here! The school I work for has been pushing out an LTSB image to most of our PC's and I can attest that it is a huge improvement over Pro. The article also recommends Optimize-Offline and O&O ShutUp10 for users who can't get a license for the LTSC image. I hadn't heard of Optimize-Offline, but ShutUp10 is great for making Windows 10 way less annoying and invasive. I'll be checking o…

I had a good experience with "tronscript" found here on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/TronScript/ It removes a lot of the crap that ships with windows 10 along with disabling telemetry. It was a decent place to start with a new windows computer.

github: https://github.com/bmrf/tron

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by stuartd »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #16
stuartd wrote: post #8

Another option without Edge, Cortana and Candy Crush is Windows Server 2019 which is what I have on my Dev PC. I’ve always run desktop server when I could - back to NT4 - initially to avoid any differences between local behaviour and deployed, though this is not really ever the case now. So now it’s for this reason - to avoid the cacophony of recent Windows versions, weird behaviour from updates and the like. I don’t…

There are a number of challenges with using Server as a desktop OS. Sometimes utilities I want to use are $20-40 for a desktop PC, and $1000+ to install on a server OS, even though they are the same software. Sometimes apps just won't work because they are checking what OS you are using and don't like it. Recently I tried setting up a Windows Server 2019 install... to use as a home server... on my Intel NUC, only to…

I have had a few issues like that with software over the years, but nothing that there weren’t alternatives for. Never on hardware though. But you’re right, it can be a challenge.

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by owenwil »

zsrxx wrote: post #23
owenwil wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was historically a Windows user and started my career as a Windows sysadmin for a few years—I switched to macOS for a few years and came back as it became increasingly buggy and Microsoft's development story changed. The complaints seem to come from heavily technical folks that think LTSB branches are reasonable things for normal people to run. I wouldn't want to run one on my own machine.

I've been using LTSC/LTSB for years. What's wrong with it?

Sure, it's Windows 10 without any of the cruft—but also, none of the good bits. Believe it or not, but the Windows Store is great; managed updates of everything from Slack to Spotify, without individual updater components. Photos app, with support for HEIC files and so on, built in. These things are actually useful!

Re: If you must run Windows 10

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Post by owenwil »

willis936 wrote: post #14
owenwil wrote: post #2

I see a lot of angry posts like this, but fail to understand how it's reflected in reality in 2019—I agree that Windows 10 was a little messy at launch, but it's come a long way from where many of these complaints seem to stem from. Yeah, Windows has a bad rap, but in the last 2-4 years has come leaps and bounds from where it was—implementing great, thoughtfully designed features on a regular basis, for free. With WS…

A serious and legitimate gripe with windows is how messy it is to automate things. It's hard to look at the command prompt the same way I look at bash. I resort to almost anything other than batch when I can.

You can automate things with Bash now, too, if you like ;)
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