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The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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Instead of every of them recommending a woman for one of the time slots at the conference or any non-white-male they just throw a fit like spoiled kids and say they are not going until someone else fixes the issue at hand for them, this kind of behavior is one of the things that deepens the gap between people in favor of diversity everywhere not by increasing diversity but alienating people that think different and c…

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Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

#22

As a woman I find it pretty damn objectifying for someone to withdraw from a conference because it has no female speakers. Why should anyone care about anything other than php in a php conference?

Well one way to think about it is to view the current structure (one of male dominated events) is already enforcing a system that isn't just about PHP. It's a structure where we put men on stage and leave (a few) women to silently sit in the back. The attempts by speakers and organisers to level this field is trying to get the events to just be about PHP. However they realize that things are very off balance already and without push back we'll continue to enforce a technological patriarchy. The only way to make things just about the tech is to address these things, however painful, and rebuild an environment where women feel equally accepted, respected, and praised.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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post #8

Tangentially related, the second post linked in that announcement is from Larry Garfield, who was involved in some PHP/Drupal controversy a few years back — https://www.sonyaellenmann.com/2017/10/drupal-gor-ayelet.htm...

What a fascinating set of characters, and what fortitude it must take to go public with such an unorthodox relationship while being a public character. I find it difficult to change my hairstyle and letting my colleagues know.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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post #4

The reason given was that only one woman submitted a proposal from over 250 submissions. Lots of discussion on twitter about how talks were chosen. Not many brought up the fact that the submissions process itself was apparently broken.

If you read through the second link he mentions how he tried to work with the organizers to improve their submission process and reach more diverse speakers and they opted not to.

That's not what I read, I read in the second link that he wanted to cancel a bunch of the male speakers, and then have everyone work like mad to reach out to women to come speak. That's not a submission process at all. That's outreach.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

#26
Tangent that may be relevant here.

I used to be involved in access work for those from underprivileged backgrounds.

It's very difficult to get poor kids to apply to University even if they have the grades, for reasons I expect are pretty similar (social environment, not 'fitting in', having few role models, etc).

Going back further - tons of them simply don't have the grades or skills, because they weren't interested early on, or weren't supported, or whatever else.

They fall behind at an early age. They're stuck in an environment that doesn't support them.

Changing the statistical makeup of people at that sort of level - at the end of the funnel, after all of the filtering - is really difficult. You need good reason to do so. It's still not clear to me that it actually makes sense - is the world actually better off if half the Ivies are made of poor kids, or have you just shuffled around status (is it zero sum)? Do you get better results - what are the better results you're looking for?

This stuff is difficult.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

#27
This is really a non issue. Conference cancelled, who cares?

And also, if women want to participate they can submit a request to have a talk. There's no reason to run around trying to recruit speakers to adhere to the completely irrational narrative of the sjw-extremists. This is becoming utterly silly in the society as a whole. Grow up people. This is a tech conference. If it is 100 percent male, so what? Women are of course welcome, but there's no reason running around, hauling them in. Is there folks running around hauling in men to speak at knitting conferences? Honestly, this is a non-issue. The diversity mania has gone too far. What matters is if presenters are good, not if they are gay, white, black, brown or whatever.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

#28

I'm reading through the Twitter thread, but I can't decipher the exact issue(s). Did the organizers select a lower ratio of diverse speakers than applicants? Were there very few diverse applicants and the organizers decided none of them qualified?

From the second and third links (both blog posts rather than Twitter), only 1 out of 250+ submissions was from a woman, so the latter. Presumably a similar situation occurred in 2018, as there was a single female speaker out of the 39-person lineup.

Re: The phpCE 2019 conference in Dresden has been cancelled and won't be continued

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post #17

From the Twitter thread: > “Everyone has the same chances” is the exact problem. What are you doing to elevate women and POC? How are you showing your support as an ally and actively encouraging access to these “equal chances”?! These people have gone off the deep end. If you aren't actively following their political playbook you're to be shouted down. You can't even just opt out of participation in their crusade, if…

Spare yourself the headache of reading politically charged debates on Twitter. It’s been a megaphone war platform since day one. Shout the loudest to win. I think it’s a real shame to cancel what seems like a useful conference for an undesirable truth about their demography.
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