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Re: How to become a great impostor

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Ah, the story of Demara. I read about him in the book "The Confidence Game: Why We Fall for It... Every Time" by Maria Konnikova [1]. Recommended read. My interest isn't so much becoming a great imposter; it is rather how to defend myself and my loved ones against cons. Ie. how to recognize them. A fiction series about con men which I appreciated is Sneaky Pete [2] and the Spanish series La Casa De Papel (Money Heist…

In Spain it's a fun meme how most foreign movie titles were translated into spanish, totally changing the meaning or simply destroying the original intent of the name. You could argue some clever titles are not easy to translate, but God knows there was no need to translate "Die Hard" to "Jungla de cristal" (glass jungle). That practice was more prevalent 10-20 years ago, though. The thing is that now, for one, it ha…

Yeah, that happens all the time. I'm Dutch native (hence familiar with Dutch title getting translated), and I refer in my own language to La Casa De Papel with the Spanish title. I only used the English title because people here might recognize or use that term in applications such as Netflix. I understand enough Spanish to understand the Spanish title and I very much prefer native titles over translations but I do like it when behind it an understandable translation is added (even if it isn't perfect).

I keep a log (plain text file, using Vim to edit it) of all movies and series I've seen in my life. The way my log works:

Dutch -> remains Dutch as it is my primary native language.

English -> remains English as I understand it well enough.

All other -> Orig. title (English translation, regardless of how well I speak or understand the language).

If I were to start over I'd do it properly with a CSV database or Excel but yeah I didn't and merging 1500 lines I CBA.

Re: How to become a great impostor

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I've heard it said that the art of being a great consultant is knowing which book to read just before a meeting with the client

This reminds me of a classroom debate from school: If you, the day before a major surgery, saw your doctor reading through a medical textbook on the topic of your surgery, would you be more or less confident in their abilities? Some said they wouldn’t trust the doctor, as they held some notion that the doctor should just know these by virtue of their being a doctor. That if they don’t it is a sign of their ill prepar…

Or you might think that a doctor who does a surgery like this every day, has done so for years, and for whom brushing up would thus be redundant is the doctor you want.

Granted, that requires that it be a reasonably common surgery and that you trust that the doctor gives sufficient consideration to non-surgical treatments instead of pushing patients towards surgery.

Perhaps a decent analogy would be a dentist capping a cavity or doing a root canal. They’ll do tens of thousands of these in a career. You don’t really want to be the first or even the hundredth patient s/he does this work on. And by the time they’ve done a thousand, looking it up would be silly.

Re: How to become a great impostor

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Well, he didn’t do anything wrong, and even delivered some good things in many of the roles he was in, which is more than can be said about many authentic persons with all proper credentials. I don’t know why he was blamed and convicted.

I think there are many other pretenders like him everywhere, less prominent, but still more or less successful and well hidden. As long as you are not using your acting talents for crime, this might work.

Re: How to become a great impostor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I switched fields between BS and PhD, and a major component was learning the jargon. Perspective, conceptualizations, terminology, idioms, etc. Plus lots of facts, of course. I've changed fields a few more times, over the years. As my interests and circumstances changed. Most recently, I worked as a ghostwriter and consultant. I used to joke that, given a couple months, I could pose as just about any sort of expert.…

> given a couple months, I could pose as just about any sort of expert. Intriguing, and I wonder whether it's true. Probably in social settings for a while, but hopefully not eg through a job interview. (related xkcd, "Impostor": https://www.xkcd.com/451/ )

>xkcd

I just read the article on Deconstruction and... either I am a complete philosophy/humanitary idiot or that entire area is full of con artists who just spit smart words out their mouth to bring their bread at the table. Regardless of that, I never respected anyone who doesn’t use formal definitions in serious analysis. I hated (disrespected) philosophy at school and I do it now even more, seeing how they chew the same crap for decades instead of just doing something better. Even politics is better than that.

“in a classical philosophical opposition we are not dealing with the peaceful coexistence of a vis-a-vis, but rather with a violent hierarchy. One of the two terms governs the other (axiologically, logically, etc.), or has the upper hand": signified over signifier; intelligible over sensible; speech over writing; activity over passivity, etc. The first task of deconstruction would be to find and overturn these oppositions inside a text or a corpus of texts; but the final objective of deconstruction is not to surpass all oppositions, because it is assumed they are structurally necessary to produce sense. The oppositions simply cannot be suspended once and for all. The hierarchy of dual oppositions always reestablishes itself. Deconstruction only points to the necessity of an unending analysis that can make explicit the decisions and arbitrary violence intrinsic to all texts”

“To be effective, deconstruction needs to create new terms, not to synthesize the concepts in opposition, but to mark their difference and eternal interplay. This explains why Derrida always proposes new terms in his deconstruction, not as a free play but as a pure necessity of analysis, to better mark the intervals. Derrida called undecidables—that is, unities of simulacrum—"false" verbal properties (nominal or semantic) that can no longer be included within philosophical (binary) opposition, but which, however, inhabit philosophical oppositions—resisting and organizing it—without ever constituting a third term, without ever leaving room for a solution in the form of Hegelian dialectics (e.g., différance, archi-writing, pharmakon, supplement, hymen, gram, spacing)”

I mean: words instead blanket a low-pitch synthesis and require most priorities in it to shift from a detailed to an increasingly informal scene which wraps by itself to form an atopological plane of understanding of the undecidables. Are you think so?

Re: How to become a great impostor

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Well, he didn’t do anything wrong, and even delivered some good things in many of the roles he was in, which is more than can be said about many authentic persons with all proper credentials. I don’t know why he was blamed and convicted. I think there are many other pretenders like him everywhere, less prominent, but still more or less successful and well hidden. As long as you are not using your acting talents for c…

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Re: How to become a great impostor

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His main issue was that Instagram was not a thing back then.

It could be argued that Instagram is a benefit for impostors as it allows them to present a fake track record/history using their timeline

Internet and facial recognition made the world a lot smaller and the past a lot harder to erase. And unsurprisingly the fact that you put something in your social media timeline only has value until something casts suspicion over it.

You don't need a trial to decide that the guy who claims this and that is the same guy from an older article being arrested for faking this and that. The suspicion alone is enough to kill the con.

If you see your kid's pediatrician's picture in a police station on the other side of the country, as a con-artist on the run, you will not care that their Instachat account says "world's greatest doctor". And you probably won't even dig too deep before dropping their service.

Re: How to become a great impostor

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of a classroom debate from school: If you, the day before a major surgery, saw your doctor reading through a medical textbook on the topic of your surgery, would you be more or less confident in their abilities? Some said they wouldn’t trust the doctor, as they held some notion that the doctor should just know these by virtue of their being a doctor. That if they don’t it is a sign of their ill prepar…

Or you might think that a doctor who does a surgery like this every day, has done so for years, and for whom brushing up would thus be redundant is the doctor you want. Granted, that requires that it be a reasonably common surgery and that you trust that the doctor gives sufficient consideration to non-surgical treatments instead of pushing patients towards surgery. Perhaps a decent analogy would be a dentist capping…

You’re inserting things into the question that weren’t there and tearing it down. Nothing was said about a “routine performance” which is certainly common enough today to that it is worth asking but is not always the case and not always common through time.

Regardless, it is never a bad thing to be overly cautious and redundant. I once heard it said that if necessity is the mother of invention, redundancy is the mother of victory. That is how I view the question.

Re: How to become a great impostor

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Ah, the story of Demara. I read about him in the book "The Confidence Game: Why We Fall for It... Every Time" by Maria Konnikova [1]. Recommended read. My interest isn't so much becoming a great imposter; it is rather how to defend myself and my loved ones against cons. Ie. how to recognize them. A fiction series about con men which I appreciated is Sneaky Pete [2] and the Spanish series La Casa De Papel (Money Heist…

Have you read "Cheats, Charlatans, and Chicanery: More Outrageous Tales of Skulduggery" by Andreas Schroeder?

I don't know how well that book has stood the test of time. But I really liked it back when it came out.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/284448.Cheats_Charlatans...

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