Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades • Hacker News Board

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by wikibob » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:32 PM UTC

This is pretty hilarious. So some consultants swooped in, there was 8 weeks of training, and now everything is going to go back to how it was.

Source: seen more than one of these external “transformation” efforts.

“ Through an eight-week Red Hat Open Innovation Labs residency, Lockheed Martin Aeronautics replaced the waterfall development process it used for F-22 Raptor upgrades with an agile methodology and DevSecOps practices that are more adaptive to the needs of the U.S. Air Force.“

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by rrss » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:32 PM UTC

throwaway5752 wrote: post #6

vipa123 wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree that Kubernetes-powered fighter jets is a bad idea, bordering on catastrophically bad. That said, I assume they'll be using Kubernetes as a development and test platform -on the ground- to produce some form of binary output that would go on the plane.

If it's any k8s distro let it be openshift. Best selinux integration. That said, how can you not wince reading, "To do this, Lockheed wanted to adopt principles and frameworks common in software lexicon like agile, scrum, minimum viable product (MVP) and DevSecOps."

"You guys have got a lot of nice words! Any way we can get some of those words over here?"

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by Mvhsz » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #12

what the hell is DevSecOps? I've been doing network security for twenty years, so I know what that is, this just sounds like some marketing and sales people started mashing buzzwords together.

Common term in defense, basically just an organizational efficiency. Since the devops people kept breaking security, we made them sit next to the security people.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by m_b » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:34 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #14

m_b wrote: post #10

Not proud that open source I contribute to help USA kills people, it really sucks.

I don't think you can realistically expect anybody in the world, of any political ideology, to not use something that is GPL/BSD/LGPL/Apache/whatever licensed, if you've published the source code to the Internet. I would be entirely unsurprised to find north korean telecoms/state government agencies using centos or debian. In fact if you google "north korea linux" you'll find that they already created their own weird…

Thanks for lecturing me about licensing, as a contributor I already know that.

Isn’t it allowed to go further that sources access, what’s written on a piece of paper, and caring about ethics?

Does OSS contributors really needs to be so alienated?

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by dmix » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

ohaideredevs wrote: post #7

"The Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor is one of the world’s premier fighter jets, thanks to its unique combination of stealth, speed, agility, and situational awareness." A huge understatement. It's the only true 5th gen that's tailored for performance, rather than cost savings (ala the F-35). The others are completely unproven (Chinese) or both unproven and in extremely limited quantities, while not providing true stealt…

Nothing saves money like designing your airplane by saying yes to every persons idea in the conference room!

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by freehunter » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #12

what the hell is DevSecOps? I've been doing network security for twenty years, so I know what that is, this just sounds like some marketing and sales people started mashing buzzwords together.

DevOps is mashing development and operations together. But that ignores security, often putting security reviews after the code has been deployed or at least after it's done being written, which necessitates re-work. DevSecOps makes sure security is a part of the development and operations work.

Yes it's a re-wording of an existing concept. No, it is not a new idea. Yes, it is important enough to call it out because so many companies don't let security/operations/development work together.

You're not the target audience, your CISO or CTO is.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by heavenlyblue » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:36 PM UTC

checktheorder wrote: post #8

ThreeFx wrote: post #2

Am I reading this correctly as Kuberetes-powered fighter jets? That's certainly not going to shoot anyone in the foot...

I was thinking more along the lines of removing features to simplify maintenance, Gnome 3 style. "Good news, General. We've found a way to lower maintenance costs in the cockpit systems by 10% if we removed this thing here on the blueprints, so we've already gone ahead with that change." "But that's the emergency ejection system!" "Yes, and our data indicates that it's almost never used. It doesn't really make sense…

“There is no need to have a system that is not needed at all if our plane is done perfectly in the first place”

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by cronix » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

m_b wrote: post #10

Not proud that open source I contribute to help USA kills people, it really sucks.

I'm sure there are many, many others being used, that you aren't aware of. Do you really think the US Military are the only ones to use redhat, or mysql, or any other major opensource project in their weapons of war and surveillance programs? You're contributing to a lot more than you think you are, and supplying every side with the tech. It's free for anybody to use, even terrorists and nation states.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by Sil_E_Goose » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

I worked at Lockheed with Red Hat doing exactly what they are talking about here on the F-35. Unsurprisingly, It was a total disaster from the top down. I guarantee this will be as well. I was happy to get out after a year.

Re: Lockheed Martin Taps Red Hat to Accelerate F-22 Raptor Upgrades

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Post by heavenlyblue » Tue, Aug 13, 2019, 4:39 PM UTC

ThreeFx wrote: post #19

throwaway5752 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it's any k8s distro let it be openshift. Best selinux integration. That said, how can you not wince reading, "To do this, Lockheed wanted to adopt principles and frameworks common in software lexicon like agile, scrum, minimum viable product (MVP) and DevSecOps."

Flying on MVP software must surely be exhilerating.

If you read MVP with a German pronunciation of V then you get Minimum Flyable Product.