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New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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post #15

Isn't DRM on noninteractive content (not games) doomed to failure?

Yes. If a human can view it, you can always, always, always copy it, reproduce it, and share it. No matter how much HDCP you throw at it, no matter what specialized hardware you devote to it...in the words of Mr. Universe..."you can't stop the signal." (And all the King's horses, and all the King's men, couldn't put the industry's shitty paranoid ineffective wannabe DRM back together again.)

From Axel Boldt's idea diary,

1/24/2007 10:13 PM Defeat any copy protection on video/audio: play the content on a certified software player in a virtual machine, copy material from the virtual screen/loudspeaker.

http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/Diary.txt

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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post #4

I would hope this constitute anticompetitive behavior. If only intel can decrypt movies and studios only make them available for intel procs, this can seriously hurt all other chipmakers.

How is this different from Netflix only making movies available via Windows DRM? Netflix has expanded, but initially it was the same deal. And it remains entirely at Netflix's discretion whom they trust. I agree it's a Bad Thing, but the content industry is entirely predicated on artificial monopolies.

If I'm not mistaken, Netflix uses multiple types of DRM (for iOS, PCs, Wii, PS3, etc). The Windows DRM is for PCs and the XBOX, possible some others (Roku might use it, I think the NXP-chip uses Microsoft DRM).

This is actually the problem with Netflix on Android - Android doesn't have any DRM standard, so it's up to the hardware manufacturer to include it.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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post #2

As one of the comments suggests, this seems doomed to failure. Paying for a streaming version of a movie doesn't seem very desirable, as it's inherently non-portable. There's a good chance I want to watch somewhere I don't have real[0] broadband. If it's too difficult to do that, I can always find a torrent. This situation does not seem likely to change. [0] Mobile "broadband" doesn't count. In most places, it is ent…

Amazon has had a video on demand service for quite some time now. It works on Windows and OS X and is supported by several devices like Roku.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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post #4

I would hope this constitute anticompetitive behavior. If only intel can decrypt movies and studios only make them available for intel procs, this can seriously hurt all other chipmakers.

AFAIK Intel and AMD cross-license everything.

And its not that tech runs just from Intel to AMD.

x64 is AMD tech that got adopted by Intel. Monolith multi-core technology is also something Intel adopted from AMD.

Intel wouldn't dare destroying AMD. Since AMD got created for sole reason to prevent Intel from being torn apart. But Intel will do everything to keep AMD's market share somewhere comfortably below 20%.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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I gotta wonder about this and their relationship with Apple. Apple can't really use it because they also have a large ARM presence and Intel isn't going to give it to ARM. Heck, Microsoft is in the same boat. Who exactly is going to be able to use this? set-top boxes?

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. If a human can view it, you can always, always, always copy it, reproduce it, and share it. No matter how much HDCP you throw at it, no matter what specialized hardware you devote to it...in the words of Mr. Universe..."you can't stop the signal." (And all the King's horses, and all the King's men, couldn't put the industry's shitty paranoid ineffective wannabe DRM back together again.)

From Axel Boldt's idea diary, 1/24/2007 10:13 PM Defeat any copy protection on video/audio: play the content on a certified software player in a virtual machine, copy material from the virtual screen/loudspeaker. http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/Diary.txt

Not that easy - any virtual machine, that allows copying material from virtual output devices will break the chain of trust and the certified player will refuse to play.

Re: New Intel processors to contain DRM suggested by Hollywood studios

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And so the closed web begins! I am sure these new chips will have magical "flaws" in them that prevent regular content from being shown for unforeseen reasons, and they will also prevent copying DVDs and using certain share apps. It was only a matter of time. Prepare to have to pay every time you want to watch content, instead of being able to buy individual copies of DVDs, prepared to get milked for your dollars every time you log on!

The DIVX revolution has been killed.

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