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Where did the melody go? (2017)

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Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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Modern music has regressed into something primitive and tribal. In other words, completely mind numbing garbage. And it just gets worse every year. Post Malone is a good indication of just how fast Western society is falling.

It is getting simpler in terms of melody and rhythm.

However, it is getting far more complex in terms of orchestration. There are far more kinds of sounds and textures in an average song today than there were 40 years ago.

Whether you like this or not, of course, is another matter.

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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I've tried to introduce my kids (who are college age) to the pleasures of classical music, mostly to no avail. I just recently rewatched the movie Amadeus (a 1984 masterpiece on Mozart) with my daughter, and she liked it. I highly recommend it. It was nominated for 11 Academy Awards and won 8.

It's a very enjoyable movie, but it's almost pure fiction, just so you know.

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You should hear what my dad had to say about Elvis!

Not really the same. Rock & roll still had melody and lyrics. Both are continually being simplified every year. You should read this: https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/01/15/231230/is-pop-mu... 5. A researcher put 15,000 Billboard Hot 100 song lyrics through the well-known Lev-Zimpel-Vogt (LZV1) data compression algorithm, which is good at finding repetitions in data. He found that songs have steadily become more…

Except the conclusion isn’t scientific at all. It’s 100% based on opinion. The author identified trends, yes, but that’s about it.

Simpler and more repetitive doesn’t mean worse — it means simpler and more repetitive. Never once have I listened to a song and thought, “Wow, this sucks, these lyrics would compress really easily.”

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really the same. Rock & roll still had melody and lyrics. Both are continually being simplified every year. You should read this: https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/01/15/231230/is-pop-mu... 5. A researcher put 15,000 Billboard Hot 100 song lyrics through the well-known Lev-Zimpel-Vogt (LZV1) data compression algorithm, which is good at finding repetitions in data. He found that songs have steadily become more…

Except the conclusion isn’t scientific at all. It’s 100% based on opinion. The author identified trends, yes, but that’s about it. Simpler and more repetitive doesn’t mean worse — it means simpler and more repetitive. Never once have I listened to a song and thought, “Wow, this sucks, these lyrics would compress really easily.”

Simpler and repetitive does mean worse.

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really the same. Rock & roll still had melody and lyrics. Both are continually being simplified every year. You should read this: https://science.slashdot.org/story/18/01/15/231230/is-pop-mu... 5. A researcher put 15,000 Billboard Hot 100 song lyrics through the well-known Lev-Zimpel-Vogt (LZV1) data compression algorithm, which is good at finding repetitions in data. He found that songs have steadily become more…

Except the conclusion isn’t scientific at all. It’s 100% based on opinion. The author identified trends, yes, but that’s about it. Simpler and more repetitive doesn’t mean worse — it means simpler and more repetitive. Never once have I listened to a song and thought, “Wow, this sucks, these lyrics would compress really easily.”

I do. Something like Hotel California that invokes a vivid imagery in one's mind seems unthinkable today. I don't know whether this affects the imagination or lingual abilities of the listeners, but it certainly can not produce the same emotions.

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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Modern music has regressed into something primitive and tribal. In other words, completely mind numbing garbage. And it just gets worse every year. Post Malone is a good indication of just how fast Western society is falling.

"My only deep sorrow is the unrelenting insistence of recording and motion picture companies upon purveying the most brutal, ugly, degenerate, vicious form of expression it has been my displeasure to hear — Naturally I refer to the bulk of rock ’n’ roll. It fosters almost totally negative and destructive reactions in young people."

Frank Sinatra, 1957

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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My issue with this article is that it elevates the ‘melody’ dimension as somehow more worthy than the ‘sonic texture’ dimension.

I think both have equal merit and I enjoy complexity along both dimensions.

Modern music seems to have the highest sonic texture complexity of any music so far and is enjoyable for that.

Bach has high melodic complexity but low texture complexity.

I suspect high complexity along all 4 dimensions simultaneously is too much for the average listener. Artists like Squarepusher and Aphex Twin get close to being high complexity along every dimension but are regarded as ‘challenging’.

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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My issue with this article is that it elevates the ‘melody’ dimension as somehow more worthy than the ‘sonic texture’ dimension. I think both have equal merit and I enjoy complexity along both dimensions. Modern music seems to have the highest sonic texture complexity of any music so far and is enjoyable for that. Bach has high melodic complexity but low texture complexity. I suspect high complexity along all 4 dimen…

I wouldn’t say modern electronic music has a higher level of ‘sonic texture’ than orchestral music, or any music using traditional instruments. The difference is that in modern music ‘sonic texture’ is an explicit mode of “authorial expression.” The sonic textures creates by acoustic instruments are arguably richer, as they are capable of much more subtle modes of expression as playable instruments.

It’s just the case that the development of novel acoustics instruments is a whole separate craft, subject to the annoying vicissitudes of the sonic properties of physical matter. The instruments were developed over centuries.

As soon as instruments became electrified artists began using the ability to express themselves directly by manipulating the sounds themselves.

The sonic experimentation dominating modern pop music is entirely the result of the complete digitization of the sound generating chain.

I also think another factor is that digital synthesizers are woefully impoverished as instruments capable of expression through musical performance. Outside of the voice, modern pop is devoid of real-time musical expression. It’s become a non-real-time process, closer to writing, animation, the visual arts.

This forces the composer to rely on the native capacities of the instruments to express ideas, and the one that is completely unavailable in the acoustic realm is to chain the fundamental timbre of the instrument.

I’m a producer, recording engineer. The author of the original piece is missing that the only reasons a composer could imagine they were working primarily with the modes or melody, harmony, rhythm is that there is highly developed tradition of musicianship and instrument design to fill in the most fundamental aspect of music, which is the actual sound.

Edit: there is another huge factor in the decline of melody which is the product of two interrelated technology developments. The first is the use of loop based sequencing techniques for compositional work, and the second is that the random-access editing techniques made possible by modern digital audio workstations extended the loop based composition process to all sounds, including the voice.

Loops are basically short compositions. If you spend a lot of time in this mode or composition, your ideas will tend to be short. The actual mechanics of how the music is made disincline the composer from constructing both traditional harmony and melody.

The DAW has fundamentally disconnected music from the strict relationship with linear time that was inherent before the age of recording. To some extent musical notation allowed composers to work around this, but the end result was always an expression that had to have a thought out beginning, middle, and end.

I wrote an essay on this subject that I think is pretty good. https://dnamusiclabs.com/harmonic-distortion/daw-and-end-tim...

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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Modern music has regressed into something primitive and tribal. In other words, completely mind numbing garbage. And it just gets worse every year. Post Malone is a good indication of just how fast Western society is falling.

From time to time one can stumble upon music like Joanna Newsom, and suddenly it all seems not so bad. Just burried under a mountain.

Re: Where did the melody go? (2017)

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post #28

My issue with this article is that it elevates the ‘melody’ dimension as somehow more worthy than the ‘sonic texture’ dimension. I think both have equal merit and I enjoy complexity along both dimensions. Modern music seems to have the highest sonic texture complexity of any music so far and is enjoyable for that. Bach has high melodic complexity but low texture complexity. I suspect high complexity along all 4 dimen…

I wouldn’t say modern electronic music has a higher level of ‘sonic texture’ than orchestral music, or any music using traditional instruments. The difference is that in modern music ‘sonic texture’ is an explicit mode of “authorial expression.” The sonic textures creates by acoustic instruments are arguably richer, as they are capable of much more subtle modes of expression as playable instruments. It’s just the cas…

As I've improved as a songwriter and composer over the years, it's been frustrating that the area in which I have least skill (sound design) has become the primary mode of expression in popular music

(As a listener though I find new music as engaging and exciting as I ever did)

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