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Re: Japanese addressing system

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post #19

When written in Japanese characters, addresses start with the largest geographical entity and proceed to the most specific one. When written in Latin characters, addresses follow the convention used by most Western addresses and start with the smallest geographic entity (typically a house number) and proceed to the largest. Big and little-endian, in other words.

I don't quite get why the latter became widespread in the west, though - we read text from top to bottom, we pinpoint addresses by drilling going from the largest geographical entries down to the smallest, why make them go reverse against each other?

One benefit I can think of is that the volume of addresses that the average person reads tends to decrease with distance from the person's home. This means that in a left-to-right, top-to-bottom language, you can start reading from the beginning of the address, and as it gets more general, eventually you hit a point where it becomes identical to your address for the rest of it, so you can stop reading. For example, when reading an address in the city I live in, I can read the number and the street, and then once I see the city name, I can stop, since I know everything I need to. This would be a bit more difficult if you had to start from the bottom right and work your way backwards, so I'm guessing that the ordering was chosen to maximize efficiency for those common, local cases.

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I think lots of places don't have the numbering system that Americans take for granted. In Vietnam my address is something like 422/35/11 Dien Bien Phu, Ward 17, Binh Thanh district, Ho Chi Minh City. The number means "go to the building #422 on the main road and turn down the unnamed road you see there; drive until you see the house numbered 35 and turn down the unnamed road THERE; then proceed to number 11." Make s…

> don't have the numbering system that Americans take for granted I’ll take a second to point out that American addresses are bizarre to many Europeans, for the same reason that your dates are; the room number or suite number is written _after_ the street number. Random addendum: in the UK, a postcode plus a small number will accurately identify most addresses, and when entering an address online you’ll be asked for…

A small but possibly interesting addendum to this European/American split on suite/apartment number placement... Here in Australia, they both work fine and seem to be widely interchangeable. Many systems I’ve used don’t force either choice and simply let me put it in as “address line one” and “address line two”. Australia Post, DHL, and basically everyone I’ve ever sent/received mail or parcels using, seem to be totally fine handling both of these formats in Australia.

Re: Japanese addressing system

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I think lots of places don't have the numbering system that Americans take for granted. In Vietnam my address is something like 422/35/11 Dien Bien Phu, Ward 17, Binh Thanh district, Ho Chi Minh City. The number means "go to the building #422 on the main road and turn down the unnamed road you see there; drive until you see the house numbered 35 and turn down the unnamed road THERE; then proceed to number 11." Make s…

> don't have the numbering system that Americans take for granted I’ll take a second to point out that American addresses are bizarre to many Europeans, for the same reason that your dates are; the room number or suite number is written _after_ the street number. Random addendum: in the UK, a postcode plus a small number will accurately identify most addresses, and when entering an address online you’ll be asked for…

What you're describing as "American" is official standard in Sweden, ie:

> Kungsgatan 10 A LGH 1301

King's street 10, staircase A, apartment 1302 which means third floor (10 being ground, 01 being basement), then second apartment counting clockwise, meaning it could be on your right if there are just two per floor.

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post #4

When I was living in Japan, the most confusing thing was that most roads, except large ones, didn't have names. People would either draw me a map to show me how to get somewhere or literally take me there.

Roads don't have names, but many crossings do.

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post #17

I moved to the UK more than five years ago and cannot get enough of this algorithmic postcode system here. It narrows down almost to the house on some occasions, while postcodes in my home country are basically "within 100 miles".

Canada's postal codes are also like this.

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I think lots of places don't have the numbering system that Americans take for granted. In Vietnam my address is something like 422/35/11 Dien Bien Phu, Ward 17, Binh Thanh district, Ho Chi Minh City. The number means "go to the building #422 on the main road and turn down the unnamed road you see there; drive until you see the house numbered 35 and turn down the unnamed road THERE; then proceed to number 11." Make s…

OpenStreetMap/Nominatim routinely fails to work with simple bog-standard addresses around here, a major metropolitan area in the US.

The reason, I believe, is that the city portion of addresses in this area often doesn't match the actual boundaries: locations well outside of the named city or town still have that in their address.

Addresses are hard. And they don't necessarily line up as nicely with the data needed to make a map as you might think. And this is just for the "easy" stuff, really.

Re: Japanese addressing system

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post #11

Obligatory "Falsehoods programmers believe about addresses" * https://www.mjt.me.uk/posts/falsehoods-programmers-believe-a... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5791489 (2013) * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8907301 (2015) * https://news.ycombinator.com/from?site=mjt.me.uk

My UK-centric view of addresses caused me an unnecessary and unpleasant 3kms walk, backpack-laden, in high summer Sydney heat back in 2003. Turns out “100 Some Road” can exist in multiple contiguous suburbs here in Australia. The numbering for the road re-starts at a suburb boundary! Who knew? This means that, upon exiting a train station and seeing number 2, 4, 6... to your left, you can’t walk left and find the 100…

Many parts of the US are the same. Even worse: there are areas in the Chicago suburbs (I presume other cities' suburbs too) where since a town boundary runs down the middle of the street, the numbering on opposite sides of the street are actually going in different directions, because they are relative to two different town numbering systems. O.o

Re: Japanese addressing system

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I wonder if it wouldn't make sense to use GPS coordinates.

Too precise I think - you can have multiple GPS coordinates for one address e.g. 2.00000000001 and 2.00000000002 could both be on the same building. Even a bounding box is too error prone.

Also, verticality would be an issue.

Re: Japanese addressing system

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post #17

I moved to the UK more than five years ago and cannot get enough of this algorithmic postcode system here. It narrows down almost to the house on some occasions, while postcodes in my home country are basically "within 100 miles".

Also if a address get more than 20 items of mail per day. The Post Office will give you your own post code.
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