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“Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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Huh, what would you say your company's culture is and why don't the people fit?

Why the down-vote? Is it that hard to imagine?

The person replying to you isn’t necessarily the person down-voting you so don’t take it out on them!

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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> Cuture fit is a blank check to fail a person's interview just because you didn't like them in the first 30 seconds. I hear this all the time. Yeah, that might be true in some cases, but it's also valid in quite a lot of instances (like the example you provided). > it is categorically impossible to establish in a 45 minute interview whether a person is actually a "fit" or not I've run/sat in on several trainwreck in…

Three out of those four don't seem particularly bad.

...curiously, which three aren't particularly bad?

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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The company I work for definitely hires people who are not a "culture fit" and our company is better for it. People who bring different perspective make your products stronger.

Then you have a loose, inclusive culture- right? That's not the case everywhere

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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> Cuture fit is a blank check to fail a person's interview just because you didn't like them in the first 30 seconds. I hear this all the time. Yeah, that might be true in some cases, but it's also valid in quite a lot of instances (like the example you provided). > it is categorically impossible to establish in a 45 minute interview whether a person is actually a "fit" or not I've run/sat in on several trainwreck in…

Three out of those four don't seem particularly bad.

Funny - one out of four doesn't seem particularly bad to me - I wonder what the overlap is.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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As someone who has built and led many engineering/product teams interviewing & evaluating for/on culture is super important.

One key thing though is making sure everyone on the team understands our culture, and applies is somewhat fairly.

Personally I define "culture" as following the values set by the company and the department.

At my current place what are the core culture concepts we look out for (in a nutshell):

- Valuing the delivery of functional & sustainable products over checking boxes or coming up with impressive/resume-building solutions

- Everyone is expected to support, teach, and grow one another and everyone has something they can teach.

- Valuing receiving & giving honest, direct, and valuable feedback.

Many engineers would NOT fit this culture and in some interviews that becomes very apparent. We also send our values to our interviews before we bring them on site and reiterate them strongly before giving an offer letter... Thoes who have ignored this have never lasted to 6 months due to clashes with deliverables and with other team members.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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post #4

Cuture fit is a blank check to fail a person's interview just because you didn't like them in the first 30 seconds. Short of the candidate showing some glaring interpersonal issues (I once had a guy who used the word "fuck" during his interview like 100 times) it is categorically impossible to establish in a 45 minute interview whether a person is actually a "fit" or not. So it's mostly a legitimized form of hiring b…

candidate showing some glaring interpersonal issues (I once had a guy who used the word "fuck" during an interview like 100 times)

That sounds less like interpersonal issues and more like a tic disorder.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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post #4

Cuture fit is a blank check to fail a person's interview just because you didn't like them in the first 30 seconds. Short of the candidate showing some glaring interpersonal issues (I once had a guy who used the word "fuck" during his interview like 100 times) it is categorically impossible to establish in a 45 minute interview whether a person is actually a "fit" or not. So it's mostly a legitimized form of hiring b…

Anecdotally I've seen "not a good culture fit" used to fail an interview when the applicant was so stunningly incompetent that it was too awkward to tell the truth.

Re: “Culture fit” is a two way street (2018)

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The company I work for definitely hires people who are not a "culture fit" and our company is better for it. People who bring different perspective make your products stronger.

Then you have a loose, inclusive culture- right? That's not the case everywhere

I'm proud of the people who are and have been a part of our team. For such a small company we do fairly well. And although there's little managers can do about it, we like to stay aware of cliques too. They are so corrosive. I believe that plays into what is described as "fit" as well.
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