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Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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post #4

Personally I’d be surprised if this startup is around in five years

Right. It sounds like a fun thing to build. But i'd love to read an honest explanation from an investor of why they funded it.

Dark raised 3.5 million USD from eight funds, which is under half a million each; maybe that amount is so small that a VC will invest it just for fun?

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#22
I've been coding since I was a kid, for about 33 years. I actually think they are right about all of this stuff.

Including the part about combining everything together into a holistic solution.

It sounds like a terrific idea. Unfortunately most people seem to hate good ideas. Especially if they represent a significant change from the status quo.

And programmers are afraid to touch anything that's "easy" or moves away from colorful text representing complex obscure systems -- because sadly that is actually the only definition of programming that has stuck. And if there isn't enough of that stuff, programmers are worried they may be mistaken for users.

But maybe even though its a structured editor that makes things easier, it will still look like code and "count" psychologically as programming.

Anyway maybe it will actually become popular. Who knows. Good luck.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#23
post #18

> If you build your application in Dark’s language inside of Dark’s editor, the reward is you can deploy it automatically on Dark’s infrastructure on Google Cloud Platform without worrying about all of the typical underlying deployment tasks. > ... Ellen Chisa, CEO and co-founder at the company, admits that the Dark approach requires learning to use her company’s toolset, but she says the trade-off is worth it becaus…

Agreed. It only sounds maybe 1 step removed from where aws lambda’s are now. You fiddle with the code in the lambda IDE, and submit for deployment. Is this really that much different?

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#24
post #6

In high school, I think I worked for a company that has prior art on deployless software. We wrote php and perl directly on the prod server with vi through putty. No deploy necessary! What's old is new again I guess.

My first company did this with .net, so we could have had a full IDE in production, had we wanted to.

We actually did have Visual Studio installed in at least one test server

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#25
post #14
post #10

I now almost nothing about Dark, but I don't understand why it is necessary to do this with a new language and a new editor.

I remember doing this in Smalltalk in about 2010. Multiple editing one image, which was running live!

besides second player gaming emotions, how did it turn out? was it value there aside of pair programming?

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#26
post #4

Personally I’d be surprised if this startup is around in five years

I'd be shocked if they survive another two years.

This is an absurd approach.

Come use our proprietary system, we built it in the dark without embracing customers, hope we don't fail now that it's public, and launch your startup on it so we can make deployments easier.

#STUPID-IDEA

Go use Netlify.com if you want a serverless solution that you can deploy on trivially.

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

#27
post #18

> If you build your application in Dark’s language inside of Dark’s editor, the reward is you can deploy it automatically on Dark’s infrastructure on Google Cloud Platform without worrying about all of the typical underlying deployment tasks. > ... Ellen Chisa, CEO and co-founder at the company, admits that the Dark approach requires learning to use her company’s toolset, but she says the trade-off is worth it becaus…

> offset the deploying mechanism and control (probably to varying degrees) to a third party that’s dependent on another third party

This sounds exactly like working inside any big company, and all that pre-canned infrastructure is a huge benefit to any project

It will be interesting to see what they've built in the cold light of day, and whether it delivers. I'm apparently not nearly as pessimistic as others on this thread

Re: Dark emerges with ‘deployless’ software model

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post #4

Personally I’d be surprised if this startup is around in five years

It certainly is extremely ambitious in scope...

The language design better be exquisite to draw in early adopters. And then it better grow fast to achieve feature parity with all the other server languages.

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