So under the current laws does a person only pay taxes when converting to and from fiat to crypto, or does it apply to crypto transactions of any kind?
It applies if there are gains.
What's not clear if you have to report the value of the gain when you did your transaction, or the current value. Crypto prices change a lot
I'm sure there's a lot to know about this topic, but it's odd to me that they'd treat a "currency" as an appreciating asset. If I'm given a dollar (or peso) as change, and if between the time I receive the dollar and the time I spend it the currency purchasing power increases, I do not pay taxes on that gain. I can just buy more stuff with that dollar (including other currencies). In this instance, where it's increas…
Regular foreign currency also gets taxed if you make a profit trading it.
The math behind crypto doesn’t magically make you immune to government oversight. All they have to do is ask, and you better not lie.
It depends where you do your transactions. If you do it on CoinBase, yes, you are going to be tracked. There are many other options though where you don't have to provide ID.
Right now it's pretty hard to live on cryptocurrency alone. Which means at some point you will need dollars (or Euros or whatever), and that transaction is almost always traceable to a person.
The math behind crypto doesn’t magically make you immune to government oversight. All they have to do is ask, and you better not lie.
It depends where you do your transactions. If you do it on CoinBase, yes, you are going to be tracked. There are many other options though where you don't have to provide ID.
From my experience, it's not really a matter of getting tracked. It's a matter of whether you can explain your income conclusively, which isn't easy if you don't report all transactions.
So under the current laws does a person only pay taxes when converting to and from fiat to crypto, or does it apply to crypto transactions of any kind?
I believe this is where a lot of the confusion comes from. If you use Coinbase to directly trade crypto (e.g. BTC for ETH) this is a taxable event on your BTC even though you never touch fiat in the process.
The math behind crypto doesn’t magically make you immune to government oversight. All they have to do is ask, and you better not lie.
It depends where you do your transactions. If you do it on CoinBase, yes, you are going to be tracked. There are many other options though where you don't have to provide ID.
I'm sure there's a lot to know about this topic, but it's odd to me that they'd treat a "currency" as an appreciating asset. If I'm given a dollar (or peso) as change, and if between the time I receive the dollar and the time I spend it the currency purchasing power increases, I do not pay taxes on that gain. I can just buy more stuff with that dollar (including other currencies). In this instance, where it's increas…
> but I can't buy a hamburger with shares of stock.
Sure you can, you just have to convince someone it's worth the hassle. That it is atypical doesn't mean you can't.
It's not sustainable to tax regular Joe for each and every cryptocurrency transaction due to the nature of cryptocurrencies, especially in the US where people have to do all of their taxes on their own. I believe Canada has something like 20% tax on the profits you get out of cryptocurrencies for the year, which I think is a much simpler system that makes much more sense.
They are treating cryptocurrency as they do any other investment: you are taxed on each transaction for stock as well. If you were day trading you would have just as much pain come tax season. That some people insist on trying to use crypto currencies as an expensive environmentally horrific currency is kind of irrelevant when the majority of users recognize that at best it’s a long term hodl investment
You just contradicted yourself. The only point of a cryptocurrency is to pay for goods and services with it, same as any currency. If it's only some kind of long term investment, but it's a currency, isn't that an oxymoron? It serves no purpose whatsoever. It's a Ponzi scheme and it has always been a Ponzi scheme.
The promise of crypto was that it would be untraceable like cash money as well as immune to reserve bank inflation fuckery. The whole thing is unraveling.
It's not sustainable to tax regular Joe for each and every cryptocurrency transaction due to the nature of cryptocurrencies, especially in the US where people have to do all of their taxes on their own. I believe Canada has something like 20% tax on the profits you get out of cryptocurrencies for the year, which I think is a much simpler system that makes much more sense.
The U.S. works the same way. You are taxed on the net short or long term capital gains not on every transaction. So if you made $1000 on one trade and lost $500 on another you would only be taxes on the net $500 profit.
You're taxed only on the gain from the transaction, but you have to report every transaction (at least in theory - I'd bet that drug dealers being paid in crypto aren't reporting them, but if you're going to break the law, you're breaking the law). The issue isn't the tax bill, it's the amount of work you have to do to track the dollar value of the cryptocurrencies involved (which may not even be well-defined, since many cryptos aren't available for U.S. dollars) when you make a transaction.
The math behind crypto doesn’t magically make you immune to government oversight. All they have to do is ask, and you better not lie.
It depends where you do your transactions. If you do it on CoinBase, yes, you are going to be tracked. There are many other options though where you don't have to provide ID.
Just because you're not tracked doesn't mean it's not tax fraud.