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Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by eropple » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:49 PM UTC

starbugs wrote: post #16

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why climate change is disputed. It's obvious that as society grows, we have increase CO2 output through record levels of burning fossil fuels. > Energy arrives from the sun in the form of visible light and ultraviolet radiation. The Earth then emits some of this energy as infrared radiation. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere 'capture' some of this heat, then re-emit it in all directions - including back…

It's a hard sell. It's devastating to think about, very negative, and it almost always means that people need to quit doing things they've come to love. It's like trying to get someone who's addicted off their drugs and telling them that even if they are successful with quitting, it won't protect them unless all others stop doing drugs simultaneously.

It's worse than things they've come to love. It's things they think are normal and necessary.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by wolco » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:49 PM UTC

geddy wrote: post #7

We're seeing record shattering temperatures in different parts of the world a lot this yet - yet the article doesn't even mention climate change. As long as we keep shoveling meat into our faces 5x per day and the population keeps expanding at break-neck rate, we have massive heatwaves and endless storms to look forward to. And then that road will come to an end, and it won't be pretty.

Calm down, there will be a war or virus or climate change itself will help us with the overpopulation problem.

If you killed every second person and planted a tree things will balance themselves out.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by qntty » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:49 PM UTC

_Microft wrote: post #14

geddy wrote: post #7

We're seeing record shattering temperatures in different parts of the world a lot this yet - yet the article doesn't even mention climate change. As long as we keep shoveling meat into our faces 5x per day and the population keeps expanding at break-neck rate, we have massive heatwaves and endless storms to look forward to. And then that road will come to an end, and it won't be pretty.

You're right about the meat but peak population growth rate was 50 years ago. See: https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2013/05/Updated-World-Pop...

Rate could also mean people/year instead of %/year.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by hestipod » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:50 PM UTC

stirfrykitty wrote: post #12

Meanwhile here in Texas, that level of heat is business as usual. I get that most places in the EU don't have aircon, as they rarely need it, barring southern EU, which I have spent considerable amounts of time in. I far prefer the misty moors of England over anything with tons of sun. Having grown up in Europe, I do prefer their weather when it's normal for them. If only I could convince my wife to move somewhere wi…

Guess some Texans have seen your post ;) Not in TX myself but after a recent Texas-like heat/humidity wave I found myself thinking how much more energized and comfortable I felt after it left, but it was still subjectively quite a high temperature. Such oppressive heat really does affect your quality of life in a big way. I lived in Europe for many years without air conditioning and was never more than mildly uncomfortable on the worst days. There was something very different about the heat...it may be as simple as humidity levels, but it was not particularly dry where I lived and visited either. Here I don't see many days that would be tolerable without AC.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by vbuwivbiu » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:50 PM UTC

Climate Crisis

Any news source that reports "record-breaking temperatures" is, deliberately or not, making these dangerously increasing temperatures sound like a good thing.

This extreme heat is costing us $$$

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

darepublic wrote: post #15

geddy wrote: post #7

We're seeing record shattering temperatures in different parts of the world a lot this yet - yet the article doesn't even mention climate change. As long as we keep shoveling meat into our faces 5x per day and the population keeps expanding at break-neck rate, we have massive heatwaves and endless storms to look forward to. And then that road will come to an end, and it won't be pretty.

I guess editorializing on the causes of weather trends is not within the scope of AccuWeather?

Or that the family that runs Accuweather has been deeply enmeshed with the party of climate denialism for the past few decades. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-14/trump-s-p...

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by kareeeem » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

Climate change isn’t disputed by logic. It’s being disputed by the commercial entities that are protecting their $billion/$trillion industries who, otherwise, would have to face big losses. We all know the industries that are negatively impacting the environment. Their selfish stakeholders have managed to successfully create a reality distortion field of denial. This article, with lack of mentioning global warming, is proof.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by smichael » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

ilikehurdles wrote: post #13

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't get why climate change is disputed. It's obvious that as society grows, we have increase CO2 output through record levels of burning fossil fuels. > Energy arrives from the sun in the form of visible light and ultraviolet radiation. The Earth then emits some of this energy as infrared radiation. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere 'capture' some of this heat, then re-emit it in all directions - including back…

Because energy companies and "free market"/"prosperity" thinktank lobbying groups dump a ton of resources into getting politicians and media moguls to broadcast well-known lies. It was never an organic movement.

The https://www.criticalfrequency.org/drilled podcast is a great primer on this.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by jandrese » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

gilbetron wrote: post #10

Not only broke it, destroyed it: +2.2C (+4.0F). That's incredible, in a terrifying, "well, I guess this is going to happen" kind of way.

Terrifying in the "this is the new normal" sort of way.

Re: Paris breaks all-time high temperature as deadly heat wave grips Europe

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Post by dx87 » Thu, Jul 25, 2019, 4:51 PM UTC

MuffinFlavored wrote: post #8

henrik_w wrote: post #4

No mention of climate change in the article.

I don't get why climate change is disputed. It's obvious that as society grows, we have increase CO2 output through record levels of burning fossil fuels. > Energy arrives from the sun in the form of visible light and ultraviolet radiation. The Earth then emits some of this energy as infrared radiation. Greenhouse gases in the atmosphere 'capture' some of this heat, then re-emit it in all directions - including back…

Some people are just super stubborn about it because they don't want to be wrong. I used to work with a guy who said climate change wasn't real, then after about a year of being the only person at work with that viewpoint, he accepted that it was real, but with the caveat that it's a good thing. He said that man-made global warming was going to help hold off the next ice age, so warming the planet now will pre-emptively save lives in the future. That makes no sense though, because we're experiencing extreme weather and mass extinction right now, and the next ice age isn't supposed to happen for over a thousand years.