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SWATters Target Dozens of Journalists

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This is bold coming from someone who doxxes people publicly. https://hacked.wtf/2019/04/26/dear-brian-krebs-no-more-doxxi...

Speaking of Krebs doxing people, I really like the snarky but still kinda benevolent response (sans the threats, ofc) when he doxed the pr0gramm/coinhive admins:

The pr0gramm (a kinda image board) members were upset and since "Krebs" is German for "cancer", they started donating to a German cancer charity, more than EUR 200k in total, to "cure Krebs".

https://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/deutsche-krebshilfe/

Re: SWATters Target Dozens of Journalists

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The heart of the problem is that SWAT-ing is possible.

You shouldn't be able to make an anonymous phone call and have the police bust down someone else's door guns drawn.

An unverified phone call alone should not amount to probable cause. That's not civilization.

Re: SWATters Target Dozens of Journalists

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This could have just been an unfortunate escalation of the political tension which seems to be omnipresent, but once you drag the police into the game it becomes deadly. I suspect the idea of "counter-doxing" made sense at one time, when CNN was threatening to dox people over memes, or when someone is doxed, fired, and humiliated, because a twitter-ista thinks you've manspread too far (/s?), but none of that even remotely compares to swatting. Sending a (generally speaking) overzealous police force to a persons home after convincing the police a violent crime is underway, is on the scale between assault, and attempted murder in my opinion (and that's assuming no one actually gets hurt).

Edit: There seems to be some confusion below. I'm not excusing the police of their responsibility by any means. Its important to remember the vast majority of swatting incidents end without violence, thanks almost entirely to the professionalism of the men who have just kicked down a door (or chose not to kick down the door, but knock instead) and found out that the phone call they got about a guy in his living room butchering small children is actually just a dude playing video games or whatever.

Edit2: I'm a pretty libertarian fellow but if you are incapable of thinking of a scenario where you would want the police to kick in your door and storm your house with guns, then you either have no imagination, or you live in a magical fairy tale land and I'm super jealous.

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post #22
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I know some people who are on a similar list run by the far right in the UK. edited for grammar all happy now.

Also, a list in the US created to target the right/extremists: https://www.elon.edu/E-Net/Article/166381

Interesting that I got down voted for saying that I know people on a list like that in the UK.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm going to interpret this as charitably as possible: Are you attempting to bring attention to the fact that doxxing is rarely prosecuted, even though it's illegal and there's boatloads of evidence that it is in fact a form of violence? This is the only way I can imagine this question being raised that doesn't assume you're trolling.

>Are you attempting to bring attention to the fact that doxxing is rarely prosecuted, even though it's illegal and there's boatloads of evidence that it is in fact a form of violence? We should really stop with the scope creep attempts around "violence".

Why? Technically speaking, it would be nice if there was another single word with the appropriate gravity and specificity that described the indirect destruction of people's lives and/or wellbeing, but practically speaking, there isn't, mostly because this particular kind of attack didn't exist in such a form in the past. Language evolves as society gets new stuff added to it.

Re: SWATters Target Dozens of Journalists

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post #24

The heart of the problem is that SWAT-ing is possible. You shouldn't be able to make an anonymous phone call and have the police bust down someone else's door guns drawn. An unverified phone call alone should not amount to probable cause. That's not civilization.

Might take a lot of lawsuits to get them to verify info before acting on it.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You post their home address. Their private phone number. And the same of their spouses. And their parents. And the address of the school their children visit. And the route they usually take to work. etc. Then the bad person hacks their icloud and dropbox and releases their private pictures and videos, the naughtier the better. And yes, all of that happened recently in Germany mostly to some prominent politicians, wh…

If that's the definition of "dox" you're using, that doesn't appear to be what Krebs did. He posted names, and a public LinkedIn profile.

No, that's my response to your question about how you could dox a journalist.

Now, Krebs doxed people in the past who didn't want their true identities revealed. Often because those people were up to no good, but sometimes Krebs went a bit overboard in my opinion.

More in general, and I am not saying Krebs ever did this, there are valid reasons why people might not want their true identities widely revealed. Think whistleblowers, some critical journalists, etc.

A more general definition of doxing would be "publish personal information that the people to whom this information belongs did not give consent to publish". As such, I don't see doxing as generally evil, it depends on the kind of information and context. Out a criminal? OK. Out a journalist? Probably not OK.

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