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Multi-Layer Dictionary (2016)

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This is very interesting -- a kind of topological sort of the dictionary. It seems like a very natural thing to want to do with subject-specific glossaries as well. Often when I approach a new topic or hobby I want a glossary of all the jargon up front, and I want the words ordered from least to most demanding of in-knowledge.

I am a newbie to topology, so please help me. What is a topological sort and why does it describe this?

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Reminds me of the Natural Semantic Metalanguage approach in linguistics by Anna Wierzbicka, Cliff Goddard and others. Nice to see, that there is actually quite some overlap both in quantity as well as in the actual words.

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If true, this is interesting from an academic perspective: word meanings can be derived from a space of 60 dimensions. But I’m not still not convinced of the value with respect to language learning. Learning how language is spoken from the fundamental 60 words sounds like trying to learn mathematics from its fundamental axioms. It seems like you might just get caught in a long list of definitions where you might be f…

word meanings can be derived from a basis of 60 mutually orthogonal vectors... which in the frame of linear algebra does mean a space of sixty dimensions. But not in this frame.

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The 60 words: to see, saw, seen. thing, something, what. this, these. the other, another, else, is the same as, be, am, are, being, was, were. one of. two of. person, people. many of, much of. inside. not, do not, does not, did not, some of. all of. there is, there are. more than, live, alive. big. small. very, kind of. if, then. touch. far from. near to, in a place, someplace, where. above. on a side of, hear, heard…

How would you define left and right based on these words?

lesson 12 covers left/right (360 words).

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How would you define left and right based on these words?

The dictionary starts with those 60 words, like axioms in mathematics. Then it builds up a vocabulary on top of them. Left is defined this way: [X is on the right side of your body.] = X is on this side of your body: Most people write using the hand they have on this side of their body. So "on a side of", "people", "be/is", are included in those first 60 words. "body", "write", "hand", etc. are defined after the firs…

Sure, but "go ask a bunch of people which hand they write with" seems like a huge copout to me.

It's like if prime numbers were defined as, "The numbers most mathematicians say are prime."

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From http://learnthesewordsfirst.com/Lesson-12F.html#12-21 12-20. right. [X is on the right side of your body.] = X is on this side of your body: Most people write using the hand they have on this side of their body. [I use my right hand when I draw pictures.] 12-21. left. [X is on the left side of your body.] = X is on this side of your body: Most people do not write using the hand they have on this side of their bo…

I would think a true minimum set of bootstrapping words would be enough to teach the language to hypothetical aliens who might not have access to a group of humans to poll about handedness.

To tell an alien about handedness definitively, without an artifact, may require that both parties are aware of the CP-violation present in the weak interaction.

Put another way, how can we know that aliens won't reconstruct an electromagnetic message as a mirror image of what we sent?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would think a true minimum set of bootstrapping words would be enough to teach the language to hypothetical aliens who might not have access to a group of humans to poll about handedness.

To tell an alien about handedness definitively, without an artifact, may require that both parties are aware of the CP-violation present in the weak interaction. Put another way, how can we know that aliens won't reconstruct an electromagnetic message as a mirror image of what we sent?

Make use of the right-hand rule, which will suffice so long as they're not made of antimatter.

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If true, this is interesting from an academic perspective: word meanings can be derived from a space of 60 dimensions. But I’m not still not convinced of the value with respect to language learning. Learning how language is spoken from the fundamental 60 words sounds like trying to learn mathematics from its fundamental axioms. It seems like you might just get caught in a long list of definitions where you might be f…

It pushes some things out of the language and into the environment. If humanity went extinct and we had only this dictionary it is unlikely that word meanings would be interpreted to be the same as they are today.

But it's intended as a learning tool and it'll do fine for that.

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