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‎The Portal: Peter Thiel (Eric Weinstein Podcast)

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

espeed wrote: post #13
stcredzero wrote: post #6

Re: The stagnation of Science and Technology. We've seen such stagnations before in history. Our culture has been losing the idea of science as a process of increasing understanding through inquiry. As expressed by the mass of people, the culture has been going towards a cargo cult worship of science. Western culture once enshrined the erroneous conclusions of Aristotle, instead of engaging in his act of inquiry. Re:…

Truth is optimal. A super-optimizing AI would optimize the process of connecting what's true.

The unfortunate thing is that heuristics will achieve 50%, 75%, and 90% of truth with much lower energy costs, and not everyone's energy budget can afford the full cost of truth.

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Post by thanatos_dem »

gmas wrote: post #16

"Trump’s inaccuracies are exagerations of the truth" and "called Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the matter a 'wild goose chase'" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-01/peter-thi... This Peter Thiel ? I'll pass..

Ah, yes. Blindly dismissing ideas you disagree with. That’s how we improve political discord.

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Post by machinelearning »

stcredzero wrote: post #6

Re: The stagnation of Science and Technology. We've seen such stagnations before in history. Our culture has been losing the idea of science as a process of increasing understanding through inquiry. As expressed by the mass of people, the culture has been going towards a cargo cult worship of science. Western culture once enshrined the erroneous conclusions of Aristotle, instead of engaging in his act of inquiry. Re:…

The real problem isn't the stagnation of science and technology (in most cases - notable exceptions are maybe healthcare and the climate). The more imminent problem is the economic implication of the embedded growth obligations. And the even higher level problem is that of generations making future obligations they can't meet and don't know about it. A kind of indeterminate optimism.

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Post by mikeash »

thanatos_dem wrote: post #22
gmas wrote: post #16

"Trump’s inaccuracies are exagerations of the truth" and "called Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the matter a 'wild goose chase'" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-01/peter-thi... This Peter Thiel ? I'll pass..

Ah, yes. Blindly dismissing ideas you disagree with. That’s how we improve political discord.

How do you know it’s blind?

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Post by gmas »

thanatos_dem wrote: post #22
gmas wrote: post #16

"Trump’s inaccuracies are exagerations of the truth" and "called Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into the matter a 'wild goose chase'" https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-01/peter-thi... This Peter Thiel ? I'll pass..

Ah, yes. Blindly dismissing ideas you disagree with. That’s how we improve political discord.

Ah yes, we should all improve political discord with these fine individuals: https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/ce59uh/prosecutio...

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Post by rishsriv »

I tried to summarise the ideas discussed in the podcast (Full summary at https://medium.com/@rishdotblog/peter-theil-and-eric-weinste...):

1. Innovation has continued and accelerated in the world of bits, but has plateaued in the world of stuff

2. If you go to a room and get rid of all the screens, how do you know you’re not in 1979?

3. Since the Great Depression, we’ve been managing economic metrics. But the technological and economic tailwinds haven’t been there at all.

4. In a healthy system, you can have wild dissent and it’s not threatening. Because everyone knows that the system is heathy. In an unhealthy system, the dissent becomes much more dangerous. There are very few people who openly criticise the unhealthy systems that they are part of

5. In late modernity (which we are living in), there’s simply too much knowledge for an individual to understand all of it. In 1800s, Goethe could understand all of everything. In 1900s, Hilbert could understand all of mathematics. But now, the kind of specialisation we have is much harder to get a handle on.

6. If you believe that productivity and growth is over, and you don’t want to emphasise merit. Instead, you focus on simply making sure that each group has its share of slots on the table. It’s not about wealth creation, it’s about receiving the wealth that’s already there.

Re: ‎The Portal: Peter Thiel (Eric Weinstein Podcast)

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Post by ttflee »

rishsriv wrote: post #29

I tried to summarise the ideas discussed in the podcast (Full summary at https://medium.com/@rishdotblog/peter-theil-and-eric-weinste... ): 1. Innovation has continued and accelerated in the world of bits, but has plateaued in the world of stuff 2. If you go to a room and get rid of all the screens, how do you know you’re not in 1979? 3. Since the Great Depression, we’ve been managing economic metrics. But the techno…

> 2. If you go to a room and get rid of all the screens, how do you know you’re not in 1979?

Interesting point.

Perhaps infrastructure has stagnated for 40 years in the U.S.

In many other parts of the world there are quite definite differences comparing with what it used to be in 1979, especially in emerging market.

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