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Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

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Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#21

... for now. What would be far more reassuring would be a statement from Google that Project Dragonfly does not meet their ethical standards as a company.

"The project was reported to have ceased late last year but rumors that it remained active persisted."

so that's probably never going to be 'terminated'

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#22
Does anyone know the technical details of what Google would have needed to comply with in China? From my understanding, a lot of western companies do business in China via (51% local controlled) "Partners" that ostensibly run their infrastructure for them, and obviously have to abide by local regulation. This includes operating an "Information Security Management System" (a euphemism of a sort) that interfaces with the Ministry of Industry and Information Technology for auditable end-user access logs and content blocking.

It seems this is governed by these standards, but I failed to dig up a copy of them. Is it true that any western company offering a mainland Chinese version of their product exposes these interfaces?

YD/T 2248-2015 - 互联网数据中心和互联网接入服务信息安全管理系统技术要求 - Interface requirements of information security management system for Internet data center/Internet service provider

YD/T 2406-2017 - 互联网数据中心和互联网接入服务信息安全管理系统及接口测试方法 - Test specifications of information security management system & interface for Internet data center/Internet service provider

YD/T 3212-2017 - 内容分发网络服务信息安全管理系统接口规范 - Interface standard of information security management system for content delivery network service

YD/T 3213-2017 - 内容分发网络服务信息安全管理系统及接口测试方法 - Test specifications of information security management system for content delivery network service

YD/T 3214-2017 - 互联网资源协作服务信息安全管理系统接口规范 - Interface specification for information security management of Internet resource collaboration service

YD/T 3215-2017 - 互联网资源协作服务信息安全管理系统及接口测试方法 - Test methods of information security management system for Internet resource collaboration service

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#24

While a certain amount of cynicism is healthy and it should be acknowledged that Google can always back track, I'm still happy that for now they've decided not to assist and facilitate one of the most Orwellian nation's to ever exist.

> I'm still happy that for now they've decided not to assist and facilitate one of the most Orwellian nation's to ever exist.

Don’t get too excited; they haven’t announced a lack of participation in PRISM yet.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants...

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#25

... for now. What would be far more reassuring would be a statement from Google that Project Dragonfly does not meet their ethical standards as a company.

The fact that they even started the project speaks for itself.

Companies don't have ethical standards, only slick PR departments.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#27

... for now. What would be far more reassuring would be a statement from Google that Project Dragonfly does not meet their ethical standards as a company.

The fact that they even started the project speaks for itself. Companies don't have ethical standards, only slick PR departments.

Strangely people do not care about Apple doing the same thing.

Even on HN posts talking about how Apple sells privacy as a product are upvoted and reach > 1000 upvotes.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

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I wonder if they will they put this on killedbygoogle.com?

While I guess you could say it was a project killed by google (supposedly - we'll see how long that lasts), killedbygoogle.com is mostly meant to shame google, and I don't really want to shame them for cancelling this project.

At the same time it acknowledges that the product existed in the first place shaming them for that as well.

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#29

... for now. What would be far more reassuring would be a statement from Google that Project Dragonfly does not meet their ethical standards as a company.

The fact that they even started the project speaks for itself. Companies don't have ethical standards, only slick PR departments.

Some companies do have ethical standards, but the question is where those standards live with respect to decision-making. If projects can get started before they get any attention from the standards, their momentum can keep them alive (particularly in public companies where shareholders pressure you not to leave money on the table).

Re: Google's Project Dragonfly 'Terminated' in China

#30

... for now. What would be far more reassuring would be a statement from Google that Project Dragonfly does not meet their ethical standards as a company.

"The project was reported to have ceased late last year but rumors that it remained active persisted." so that's probably never going to be 'terminated'

rumors != fact
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