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Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by HelloNurse »

tapland wrote: post #16
robteix wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

unfortunately people list units where it's not allowed as well. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/marketplace-airbnb-covert-l...

A lot of people on my floor did that when I lived in a 6000 sek/month 1 room flat outside Stockholm that required me to be an active student and still required 5 years of being in the queue for apartments which you can't sign up for until age 18. It was impossible to study most days because of kids to illicit renters running around screaming and biking in the corridors.

Couldn't you ring the bell of suspect apartments, verify the presence of illicit renters and call the police? Aren't there fines or worse for the owner?

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by pjc50 »

rand84545 wrote: post #14
JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

There are two possibilties here: - The noise level is within the reasonable legal limit: Tourists are exercising their rights to use the condo, in the same way that the owner (main renter) could have done. Whether it's the owner making the noise or the tourists is immaterial. - The noise levels are above the legal limits, inform them (courtesy) and then call the cops. whether it's the owner, or the tourists it's the…

"I have a right to do everything that's not actually illegal" is an attitude that directly results in all kinds of trivial things being banned. In this case, it's leading to cities trying to ban or restrict AirBNB.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by rand84545 »

Ensorceled wrote: post #17
rand84545 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are two possibilties here: - The noise level is within the reasonable legal limit: Tourists are exercising their rights to use the condo, in the same way that the owner (main renter) could have done. Whether it's the owner making the noise or the tourists is immaterial. - The noise levels are above the legal limits, inform them (courtesy) and then call the cops. whether it's the owner, or the tourists it's the…

You do realize you are defending and supporting the "tragedy of the commons"

- not, really. Could you expand on that.

- my point, it's easier to attack a group of people , if you can put a label on them. Noise is a problem regardless of its source.

A noisy long term neighbour is at least as annoying as a noisy tourist. And a calm tourist is less annoying. Being noisy is not an essential property of airbnb rentals.

Those who are noisy should suffer the consequences of their actions. Those who are not, should not.

The second part of my argument, is "my rights start where your rights end".

if the tourists/owner/ whatever has a right to make that noise, then you don't have the right to prevent them from doing that noise.

If they don't have the right to make that noise level, then they don't have that right regardless of who they are.

Because something disadvantages you, it doesn't mean that others don't have the right to do it.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by apexalpha »

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

In Amsterdam you can only AirBnB your house for 30 days a year. So normal residents can rent out their house when they go on holiday, but you can't buy up living space for only renting it out on AirBnB.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by intricatedetail »

I had a couple of situations where airbnb was a life saver (victim of abusive relationship). There are not many places where a male can seek a shelter as most of them are being targeted towards women and children. In my city hotels are extremely expensive so airbnb was a good option to have. I understand that tourists can be nuisance but I wouldn't like it to be banned.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by chrisseaton »

HelloNurse wrote: post #21
tapland wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people on my floor did that when I lived in a 6000 sek/month 1 room flat outside Stockholm that required me to be an active student and still required 5 years of being in the queue for apartments which you can't sign up for until age 18. It was impossible to study most days because of kids to illicit renters running around screaming and biking in the corridors.

Couldn't you ring the bell of suspect apartments, verify the presence of illicit renters and call the police? Aren't there fines or worse for the owner?

> and call the police

But it's just a civil agreement between property owners, isn't it? Is breaking that civil agreement a criminal matter that needs police attention?

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by pentae »

apexalpha wrote: post #24
JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

In Amsterdam you can only AirBnB your house for 30 days a year. So normal residents can rent out their house when they go on holiday, but you can't buy up living space for only renting it out on AirBnB.

Of course the Dutch come up with a very fair and reasonable compromise.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by PlasticTank »

rand84545 wrote: post #23
Ensorceled wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You do realize you are defending and supporting the "tragedy of the commons"

- not, really. Could you expand on that. - my point, it's easier to attack a group of people , if you can put a label on them. Noise is a problem regardless of its source. A noisy long term neighbour is at least as annoying as a noisy tourist. And a calm tourist is less annoying. Being noisy is not an essential property of airbnb rentals. Those who are noisy should suffer the consequences of their actions. Those who…

Have you never heard of common courtesy? I'm not by law required to do a lot of things I do but I do them because they make the world that little bit better for everyone, same goes for things I avoid doing.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by ThePadawan »

alkonaut wrote: post #10
JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #6

Or just go to a hotel! I have a condo in a building where most of the units are listed on Airbnb or Booking.com, quality of life for residents like me has been drastically reduced by noisy tourists that come for a weekend trip and have no regard for keeping it quiet or keeping the shared spaces clean. I hope more cities begin to ban Airbnb. Tourists belong in hotels not in buildings where families try to live their d…

In many cities apartments are normally owned through some kind of co-op with a board that decides things. If that’s the case then I wouldn’t buy one in a building that allows more than temporary subletting. This is the case at least in Sweden, i.e it’s pretty hard to buy-to-let, and that’s normally a good thing (also for price stability).

That's actually really interesting to me!

Here in Switzerland (once again, sorry for being generally mixed up with Sweden), most buildings are owned by investment funds, life insurance companies, banks, etc..

So the exact opposite of what you describe happens - to maximize profits at close to zero risk. Cities are having a really hard time keeping a lid on companies that restructure whole buildings to use as short-time rentals.

Re: How to Find Hidden Cameras in Your Airbnb

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Post by chirau »

HelloNurse wrote: post #21
tapland wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people on my floor did that when I lived in a 6000 sek/month 1 room flat outside Stockholm that required me to be an active student and still required 5 years of being in the queue for apartments which you can't sign up for until age 18. It was impossible to study most days because of kids to illicit renters running around screaming and biking in the corridors.

Couldn't you ring the bell of suspect apartments, verify the presence of illicit renters and call the police? Aren't there fines or worse for the owner?

> verify the....

Lost you there, how exactly? I live in one of these buildings. They can just tell you they are relatives or housesitters, then what?

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