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New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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I wonder if there’s improved life expectancy of slower SSDs? (Serious question, not Apple fanboying here, any change in life expectancy is presumably incidental to reduction in price point)

Speed of SSDs depend largely on number of NAND die and NAND technology. As they shrink the transistor size, they leak and interact more so it becomes a little less reliable (unless improve the error correction to compensate.) Smaller size means capacity per die increases so fewer NAND die to get target capacity. The main way to get performance on SSDs is to run the NAND die in parallel. With fewer dies, the performance drops. So you can increase the number of die and thus keep performance the same while increasing the capacity. But the likely went to first route to save money.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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I like fast SSD's as much as everyone else, but it's not like those disks are a slouch. 1.3 GB/s is still plenty fast, especially for those who are in the market for the Macbook Air. It's probably however the first time, I can remember at least, where Apple downgraded a newer model in such an unequivocal way. I mean newer CPU's have had different multicore/single core tradeoffs, the inclusion of a dedicated GPU have…

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Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Given most people who will buy and use this device will spend more time waiting on JavaScript to load than on the SSD, I would say it is correct to assert nobody will notice.

I get such a kick out of watching you guys beat up on JavaScript. I mean really, what could be further from this topic, and yet here we are!

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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It’s been real. After owning 6+ Mac laptops for the past 15 years I’m out.

That's interesting to me, because this is the first product they've offered in awhile that could have drawn me back. The return of actual function keys being the biggest draw.

Unfortunately for Apple, my Mid-2012 MBP didn't last long enough for them to get their proverbial scat together and I'm running Linux on non-Apple hardware now.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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post #21
post #7

I wonder if there’s improved life expectancy of slower SSDs? (Serious question, not Apple fanboying here, any change in life expectancy is presumably incidental to reduction in price point)

Speed of SSDs depend largely on number of NAND die and NAND technology. As they shrink the transistor size, they leak and interact more so it becomes a little less reliable (unless improve the error correction to compensate.) Smaller size means capacity per die increases so fewer NAND die to get target capacity. The main way to get performance on SSDs is to run the NAND die in parallel. With fewer dies, the performan…

Oh yeah, like I said any changes in operational characteristics are incidental to the most important bit: reduction in cost.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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I like fast SSD's as much as everyone else, but it's not like those disks are a slouch. 1.3 GB/s is still plenty fast, especially for those who are in the market for the Macbook Air. It's probably however the first time, I can remember at least, where Apple downgraded a newer model in such an unequivocal way. I mean newer CPU's have had different multicore/single core tradeoffs, the inclusion of a dedicated GPU have…

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Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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> Before you go and start casting aspersions at Apple, the move makes a lot of sense. It'd be one thing if it did this and raised the price, but it actually lowered the price by $100, and the education discount brings it down to $999, making it the most affordable modern MacBook laptop ever (the outdated MacBook Air does not count). Which is fine for the entry-level model. Is it true for the more expensive model? The…

I actually think the current MacBook Air configuration with Touch ID & Retina - $1100 - is basically exactly what I (and many people) want in a personal laptop.

It's light, easy to use, plenty fast for anything I do on a regular basis, and the Retina display is excellent.

Unless I have reason not to trust it, Touch ID is the perfect way to log in when you:

1. want to have your computer lock after a short period of inactivity and

2. tend to use long passwords that you don't want to type in all the time.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Would be curious of whether this is before or after the cache. My understanding is that, for instance, newer Samsung QLC SSDs are slower but they include a very fast SLC cache, and in practice you spend your time in the cache unless you are copying >15GB files.

> unless you are copying >15GB files.

Or, presumably, using them in a miltitenant SAN or DBMS where the SSD’s pipeline is full of concurrent random IOPS to more than 15GB of hot data.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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Apple might have chosen cheeper SSDs to lower prices - which in principle think is a good idea on the entry level laptop, even cheap SSDs are plenty fast - why are they still charging insane prices for their SSD upgrades? Current market prices for SSD are between 150 and 300€/tb. For SSD upgrades in the MB Air, Apple is charging 240€ for each upgrade step. That means prices between 1920€/tb (128->256g) and 480€/tb (5…

Apple's prices used to be non-insane. Marked up, yes, but not nuts. Wasn't even that long ago. You'd have people post stuff about "look I can get a PC that's just as good for 40% as much, what a ripoff!" but it'd always turn out they were choosing worse parts.

These days, though, between price hikes, mediocre to poor base memory amounts and disc sizes, and massive markup on upgrades, it's not true anymore. Their prices are hugely inflated.

Re: New 2019 MacBook Air features a slower SSD than 2018 model

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It's still very fast. Less than 2 minutes to read the entire drive of the base model. It's more than twice as fast as any SATA SSD. Similar to 2017 Macbook Air for read speed and much better write [1]

I'm sure for almost all users of those machines, the SSD is more than fast enough for everything they want and big upgrade from HDD based Windows laptops many will be switching from (those were typical 3-4 years ago and even now are still around).

https://www.techradar.com/reviews/pc-mac/laptops-portable-pc...

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