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Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by simion314 »

matwood wrote: post #7

Regardless of the name change they are still grounded. Given all the scrutiny, when they finally do fly again they will likely be one of safest planes in the sky.

>Given all the scrutiny,

I did not read anything about investigating everything from scratch, there is a possibility that the bigger engines could affect the wings, or other subsystem and because they were rushing they did not test all the systems or downplayed the possible issues.

Adding to my doubts is the fact that all the incentives is to get back in business as fast as possible and safety is just a bump that Boeign needs to get around or over it as soon as possible.

Last big issue is the credibility of FAA, you had the first airplane crash and nothing was done, second airplane crashes and FAA again does nothing until it is basically forced to ground the plane. Without the pressure from the other countries the MAX would still fly today with all the issues and the pilots and airline would have got all the blame

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by reneherse »

Just yesterday I wondered when Boeing would do this and what the name would be.

The new name is about as humdrum and forgettable as you can get, which is exactly what Boeing hopes will become of the memory of all that has transpired with the MAX.

Fortunately the plane has some distinctive and memorable exterior features: A sawtoothed trailing edge on the engine nacelles and bidirectional winglets.

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Post by sailingparrot »

piadodjanho wrote: post #12

This is not the first time an airline rebrands an airplane due fearmongering after an accident. The Fokker-100 was rebranded as MK-28 in Brazil after an accident (trust reverse deployed after take-off). The news reported every incident with the plane afterward. I remember my parents avoiding flights with Fokker-100. The MK-28, on the other hand, had a very good safety record.

Is it appropriate to call this fearmongering when the issues are real (for the 737)?

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Post by VBprogrammer »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #20
matwood wrote: post #7

Regardless of the name change they are still grounded. Given all the scrutiny, when they finally do fly again they will likely be one of safest planes in the sky.

Why do some people believe this? Is there some inherent truth to it that's been borne out? I won't fly in a max. Likely ever, but at least for a number of years after they start flying again.

In the lighter end of GA there are plenty of aircraft which have gone from having initially poor safety records to having some fo the best in the fleet.

The Mitsubishi MU2 is a good example, it had some interesting control quirks due to having a tiny wing for its weight. After a number of reviews a training package was designed which almost completely solved its safety problems.

The Cirrus SR22 was also in a similar category, despite having a whole-frame parachute. Their problems were solved by insurance companies demanding more training and their owners group pushing the mantra "if in doubt, pull the chute".

I'm sure there are better examples from the commercial air transport end of the scale but I knew those from the top of my head.

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by romanovcode »

LordFast wrote: post #6

Out of all the possible solutions, let's go ahead and choose the one that further destroys people's trust in our abilities to make sound decisions! /s Ridiculous.

Not ridicilous at all. Same tactics have worked for many multi-national companies after huge screwups and it worked.

Just a few examples: https://www.businessinsider.com/7-companies-that-changed-nam...

Re: Boeing 737 Max ordered by Ryanair undergoes name change

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Post by jdright »

gourou wrote: post #3

> Photos have emerged of a repainted 737 Max in Ryanair colours outside Boeing’s manufacturing hub, with the name 737 Max replaced by 737-8200 on the nose. Now I'm worried about boarding any 737

This. And I'm starting to be afraid of ANY Boeing. This company is dead.
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