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Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by yebyen »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #19
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #7

I couldn't reproduce it (Mac, Mojave 10.14.5). I did this: 1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener) 2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash (ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted) 3. Wait 5 minutes However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client…

I am not a big Zoom fan but everyone else but me at work has issues with Zoom. One vendor we do calls with sometimes gets the web version instead of the desktop version any time he joins a Zoom call. My biggest pet peeve was Ciscos version. I had to install: a browser plugin, which wasnt used, then a desktop app, then a follow up desktop app to support voice and audio. What the actual heck is Cisco smoking!? I was sh…

Webex and Zoom are absolutely not the same product, they are competitive offerings from different companies.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by danShumway »

jonwinstanley wrote: post #8
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #7

I couldn't reproduce it (Mac, Mojave 10.14.5). I did this: 1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener) 2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash (ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted) 3. Wait 5 minutes However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client…

They need to leave them with their key so they can issue an update.

> so they can issue an update.

Revoking the key and making its restoration conditional on issuing a security patch would be a way to make sure an update does happen. I'm not a fan Apple's approach to software signing, but this is a good opportunity to showcase some of the benefits that their system does legitimately have.

They'd be stepping in on behalf of users and saying, "Sure you can issue updates. After you fix the security hole."

Right now, Zoom is gambling that they don't need to care about security from a business point of view. Apple can change the situation so they do.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by giancarlostoro »

yebyen wrote: post #21
giancarlostoro wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not a big Zoom fan but everyone else but me at work has issues with Zoom. One vendor we do calls with sometimes gets the web version instead of the desktop version any time he joins a Zoom call. My biggest pet peeve was Ciscos version. I had to install: a browser plugin, which wasnt used, then a desktop app, then a follow up desktop app to support voice and audio. What the actual heck is Cisco smoking!? I was sh…

Webex and Zoom are absolutely not the same product, they are competitive offerings from different companies.

> My biggest pet peeve was Ciscos version.

I mentioned this, I just went off on a tangeant cause it amazes me how broken some of these pieces of software are, it's a problem we solved a long time ago (audio and video conferencing) and it seems only Electron based apps have been getting it right lately for whatever reason.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by bastawhiz »

I really hope Zoom promptly fixes all these recent issues. I've used so many video conferencing solutions. Vidyo was amazingly unreliable. BlueJeans had the most amazingly awful interface I've ever encountered. P2P WebRTC solutions get destroyed when there's more than a couple people on a call. Hangouts has decent call quality but had spooky issues, like all parties joining a call, but each appearing as if they're the only ones present.

Zoom is the only solution that's been decent for me. The UI for the desktop client is a bit rough around the edges, but it's certainly not the worst. I'd really like to continue to like Zoom but I can't do that if they're going to do shady things or bungle security.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by MacroChip »

eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #7

I couldn't reproduce it (Mac, Mojave 10.14.5). I did this: 1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener) 2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash (ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted) 3. Wait 5 minutes However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client…

You sure you want that last sentence? If that were happening, we would all be commenting on here about how Apple decides who succeeds and who fails by threatening to revoke companies' keys on a whim.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by yebyen »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #23
yebyen wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Webex and Zoom are absolutely not the same product, they are competitive offerings from different companies.

> My biggest pet peeve was Ciscos version. I mentioned this, I just went off on a tangeant cause it amazes me how broken some of these pieces of software are, it's a problem we solved a long time ago (audio and video conferencing) and it seems only Electron based apps have been getting it right lately for whatever reason.

If Zoom has a web-based client, I haven't seen it. I know that WebEx has a web-only client. I thought you had them like, really confused, y'know?

Turns out there is a Zoom Web Client though and I'm all wet.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by giancarlostoro »

yebyen wrote: post #26
giancarlostoro wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My biggest pet peeve was Ciscos version. I mentioned this, I just went off on a tangeant cause it amazes me how broken some of these pieces of software are, it's a problem we solved a long time ago (audio and video conferencing) and it seems only Electron based apps have been getting it right lately for whatever reason.

If Zoom has a web-based client, I haven't seen it. I know that WebEx has a web-only client. I thought you had them like, really confused, y'know? Turns out there is a Zoom Web Client though and I'm all wet.

All good, but yeah, I didn't know either, sounds like it is yet another one of those "works best in Chrome" clients, I usually use Firefox, and it probably tries to open Zoom. Maybe sometimes people click "open in browser" instead or something? Not sure...

What's worse is WebEx is supposed to be web only supposedly, but I installed 3 things to use it... Totally not HTML5 friendly at all...

For anybody interested in the Zoom web client:

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/214629443

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by vorpalhex »

MacroChip wrote: post #25
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #7

I couldn't reproduce it (Mac, Mojave 10.14.5). I did this: 1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener) 2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash (ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted) 3. Wait 5 minutes However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client…

You sure you want that last sentence? If that were happening, we would all be commenting on here about how Apple decides who succeeds and who fails by threatening to revoke companies' keys on a whim.

Apple did that when Facebook was abusing enterprise signed apps and nobody threw shade at Apple. There's a time and place for that, and this is it.

Now, if Apple revoked their cert because they didn't like Zooms view on then I'd be ranting and raving with the rest of HN.

Re: Zoom is reinstalling itself after a minute of being uninstalled [video]

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Post by eeeeeeeeeeeee »

MacroChip wrote: post #25
eeeeeeeeeeeee wrote: post #7

I couldn't reproduce it (Mac, Mojave 10.14.5). I did this: 1. Ensure Zoom client is not running (the GUI, not the ZoomOpener) 2. Completely delete Zoom client app from /Applications, empty trash (ZoomOpener continues to run from ~/.zoomus/, not just from memory, it is never deleted) 3. Wait 5 minutes However, if you click on any Zoom link after you've done those three steps, it will absolutely re-install that client…

You sure you want that last sentence? If that were happening, we would all be commenting on here about how Apple decides who succeeds and who fails by threatening to revoke companies' keys on a whim.

Yes, I do. And in no way is revocation in this instance a “whim.”
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