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The forgotten joy of soap

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Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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What is currently recommended instead of bar soap (e.g. instead of a bar of Dove for sensitive skin)?

I don't know if that Dove bar has soap in it, but there are many non-soap cleansers of varying degrees of harshness. I only know the brands available in Australia.

From the ingredients list on the Amazon product listing it contains a number of soaps derived from coconut, palm and tallow (usually beef fat). Sodium X-ate is a soap made from X.

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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Same here, the joy of a good Marseille soap (I'm in France). It lasts at least 3 months for showers, washing hands, and everything (hair as well) I heard some people wash their teeth with soap, I'm not there yet :))

Oh Good Lord, no - I don't know if it's a particularly British thing, but children were threatened with having their "mouths washed out with soap" if they said rude words!

Definitely an American thing too, and there’s no British ancestry in my family.

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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Bar soap has died due to a perceived lack of cleanliness.

People look at a half used bar of soap lying in a shared bathroom and think "Some other dirty person has rubbed that in their private parts. No way I'm touching that!!!".

Soap, unless stored in a well designed soap dish, also always has a partially dissolved slimey bit that's pretty icky.

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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Does anyone else find shower-gel just completely ineffective? After using it I don't feel clean. I feel like I just rubbed cooking oil on my body. With regular soap bars you get the "clean" feeling which no other product seems to match.

Just about the opposite. Are you sure you didn't buy some kind of body oil instead of foaming cleanser instead?

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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Does anyone else find shower-gel just completely ineffective? After using it I don't feel clean. I feel like I just rubbed cooking oil on my body. With regular soap bars you get the "clean" feeling which no other product seems to match.

Soap makes my skin dry and itchy in winter. Oily shower gels are pretty awesome.

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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I've been using bar soap for a good few years now as it was the means of cleaning that I could most-easily buy locally that seemed to incur the least plastic impact. I like to imagine that the invested energy density and cost of transport is better too, compared to gels and liquids. Regardless of all that worthiness though - I just prefer using the stuff and am gently delighted when I walk into my bathroom and minded…

Same here, the joy of a good Marseille soap (I'm in France). It lasts at least 3 months for showers, washing hands, and everything (hair as well) I heard some people wash their teeth with soap, I'm not there yet :))

When I was a young kid we were out of toothpaste and some adult suggested using soap. I remember it wasn't very nice, but that's all.

For the sake of science, I just repeated that, so as taught in school, the scientific method.

experiment: brushing teeth with soap instead of toothpaste.

apparatus: toothbrush, soap (sainsbury's cheapo), teeth, darwin-award level of stupidity.

result: surprisingly inoffensive. Almost no taste of soap unless the suds reached the very back of your tongue. Considerably foamier than toothpaste!

conclusion: for this brand of soap at least, an acceptable substitute. Minty soap would be better.

Note that toothpaste actually contains a very fine abrasive which soap lacks. Also laundry soap (came in thick green bars IIRC) was probably far worse.

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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Bar soap has died due to a perceived lack of cleanliness. People look at a half used bar of soap lying in a shared bathroom and think "Some other dirty person has rubbed that in their private parts. No way I'm touching that!!!". Soap, unless stored in a well designed soap dish, also always has a partially dissolved slimey bit that's pretty icky.

A determined marketing campaign could reverse that perception.

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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Bar soap has died due to a perceived lack of cleanliness. People look at a half used bar of soap lying in a shared bathroom and think "Some other dirty person has rubbed that in their private parts. No way I'm touching that!!!". Soap, unless stored in a well designed soap dish, also always has a partially dissolved slimey bit that's pretty icky.

Interesting, I hadn't considered that. I thought people were switching to liquid because of convenience and the marketing nonsense that it has more of an anti-bacterial effect.

Re: The forgotten joy of soap

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Soaps can strip oils from your skin and kill the biome. I recently ran across the book Beyond Soap by Dr. Sandy Skotnicki, a dermatologist who has a practice and teaches in Toronto:

* https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Soap-Truth-Beautiful-Healthy/d...

Most of the products we use may get the job done, but they tend to be heavy handed in the chemicals they use. A list of products she recommends that her clients use:

* https://www.producteliminationdiet.com

You don't want to be dirty, but there may be something to the idea of cleaning too much:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hygiene_hypothesis

An interview on a local public broadcaster:

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGl19JJnaK0 * https://www.tvo.org/video/the-trouble-with-soap

Generally: wash your hands and clean your (private) bits. Most of the extra scrubbing modern (office) workers do is probably unnecessary.

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