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Assholes: A Probing Examination

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Re: Assholes: A Probing Examination

#21

It’s actually not hard to sniff out assholes. You just ask them about how they resolved a recent conflict and picture yourself on the other side of the story. We had a great net eng candidate who zero of the interview team said they’d want to work with. Otherwise smart and capable, we gave him s hard pass.

I mention a question really similar to that in the article itself and yeah, I think that question and similar ones are probably the first tools we reach for... but while I think those might suss out some obvious assholes, or unintentional assholes, I think it's too easy for self-aware or intentional assholes to answer "what they want to hear" and pass the question. I'm definitely glad you sidestepped this for-sure asshole in your interview process but I think the fact that everyone on your team wanted to avoid him or her kind of supports my "only the world's biggest assholes get weeded out this way" theory.

That's why what I advocate for instead is to genuinely build a culture where asshole behavior isn't tolerated, and then warn candidates that you've successfully done this and take it seriously. Self-aware assholes will just bullshit through these kinds of questions, but if you can truly impart how seriously you take this sort of thing to them, they'll weed themselves out of your process.

Re: Assholes: A Probing Examination

#22

It’s actually not hard to sniff out assholes. You just ask them about how they resolved a recent conflict and picture yourself on the other side of the story. We had a great net eng candidate who zero of the interview team said they’d want to work with. Otherwise smart and capable, we gave him s hard pass.

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Re: Assholes: A Probing Examination

#23

It’s actually not hard to sniff out assholes. You just ask them about how they resolved a recent conflict and picture yourself on the other side of the story. We had a great net eng candidate who zero of the interview team said they’d want to work with. Otherwise smart and capable, we gave him s hard pass.

He addressed that point in the final paragraph. Any self-aware asshole can make up a convincing story.

Re: Assholes: A Probing Examination

#24
post #7

> Asshole behavior begets additional asshole behavior from others. Non-assholes are hardened into assholes over time to survive, and a spiral of incivility reigns. I've been infected by this before. Never again. (I prefer to slap up so I ended up getting shown the door.) Before we go through a hiring round with my team nowadays, I like us to review what I've seen approvingly referred to over on Metafilter as The Babo…

The end of The Baboon Article:

> Dr. Sapolsky has no idea how long the good times will last. ''I confess I'm rooting for the troop to stay like this forever, but I worry about how vulnerable they may be,'' he said. ''All it would take is two or three jerky adolescent males entering at the same time to tilt the balance and destroy the culture.''

Re: Assholes: A Probing Examination

#25
post #3

You can train people technically, but it's hard to unasshole someone.

I think it's hard to unasshole someone who doesn't want to be unassholed, or who simply doesn't value it. But I think if you really call out every single behavior that's assholey (in private, so they aren't embarrassed and defensive) then eventually people do start to get it and, if they want to change, can.

It could be one of those fake it 'til you make it deals. Someone is an asshole internally still but puts on a veneer of nonassholeishness because they are operating in an environment where it's not tolerated, and over time kind of mellow out. At the time of writing this comment, there's only one comment on my post and it's from someone who says s/he indeed was an asshole and it took this kind of incessant badgering to figure it out.

Re: Assholes: A Probing Examination

#28
post #13

Unfortunately, we have plenty of examples of successful companies where toxic behavior is rampant. I agree that firing assholes improves a company's morale and environment, but sadly there is little evidence that it actually help a company's business.

I linked to as much hard evidence as I could but I'll agree that it's a little light. My hunch, just based on my own observation doing this for 20 years, is that an asshole is like a black hole of productivity, draining it from everyone else to such an extent that they're simply not worth having around, and that no matter how Brilliant they are, the rest of the team can figure out their areas of expertise with the morale boost they get after leaving (or drastically changing their behavior, though sometimes the bridges are burned too much for recovery).

Again this is mostly anecdotal, from what I've seen teams do when the Resident Jerk was fired or left. I've never in my 20 years as a professional software developer seen a single person leave a team and then see the team immediately fall to pieces because that person really was the critical lynchpin that people thought. I've seen lots of people stick around far, far too long because folks (management usually) were WORRIED that's what was going to happen, but it never actually seems to.

Re: Assholes: A Probing Examination

#30
post #12

What's ironic is...the only people I can think of that I've worked with over the years who exhibit the signs called out in this piece were VP level or higher.

The signs listed of an asshole are pretty easy to spot but try sniffing out the 'hidden', highly-skilled two-faced exec. asshole. They are readily promoted and treat execs. one way and low-level employees another.
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