ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains • Hacker News Board

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by shock » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:19 PM UTC

cardamomo wrote: post #5

Press release from Public Interest Registry, which oversees .org and similar TLDs: https://pir.org/pir-welcomes-renewed-org-agreement/ > Regarding the removal of price caps, we would like to underscore that Public Interest Registry is a mission driven non-profit registry and currently has no specific plans for any price changes for .ORG. Should there be a need for a sensible price increase at some point in the future…

> Public Interest Registry is a mission driven non-profit registry and currently has no specific plans for any price changes

This means nothing. It's like when you get the hiring paperwork and the HR person says regarding the non-compete: "oh, don't worry about it, it's not enforceable"...

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ailideex » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC

walrus01 wrote: post #4

Ever since icann lifted the floodgates on all the new gTLDs, it's been almost nothing but unmitigated mediocrity. Follow the money, look at how much a company like donuts pays to icann for the "application fee" for each individual gtld. Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019.

Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own things.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by xur17 » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:21 PM UTC

ailideex wrote: post #15

rasengan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Handshake [1] does this exactly. [1] https://www.handshake.org

How is this better than namecoin and how will it not end in same problem? Also this really does not do what the person you responded to asked for - I can't get some personal domain name for life from this - it is market based AFAICT. Really seems to solve almost none of the problems and goes directly for what ICANN only now does with .org as no domain will have any price cap with handshake.

> I can't get some personal domain name for life from this - it is market based AFAICT.

The yearly renewal fee is fixed, and is a standard transaction fee, not market based [0].

[0] https://handshake.org/faq

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ailideex » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:24 PM UTC

pmlnr wrote: post #17

ailideex wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We need a real DNS system, one where an individual can request and have a domain for life and which is truly decentralized. I very much want this also - but this cannot be solved in the same way as the challenge of business domain name assignment - a different approach should be used: [idx].[yyyyddmm].[given_names].[family_name].id e.g. 023.19830210.john_smith_3rd.doe.id given_names can have some standard seperator…

During the socialist system one received a personal identification number. It was very similar to this. The good side: - I like the idea and I have been thinking around the same lines The bad side: - how would changed names, like marriage, be handled? - it shows too much PII - I believe knowing a domain like this would immediately fall under GDPR - still not easy to remember - doesn't allow pseudonyms - I know that p…

Norway still uses a very similar system and I think other countries also.

You do raise very valid problems though - but I feel like either you have at least some of those problems or you go to routes which is basically what .onion does where you have your_chosen_name + bit_of_not_memorable

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ohashi » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

shock wrote: post #21

cardamomo wrote: post #5

Press release from Public Interest Registry, which oversees .org and similar TLDs: https://pir.org/pir-welcomes-renewed-org-agreement/ > Regarding the removal of price caps, we would like to underscore that Public Interest Registry is a mission driven non-profit registry and currently has no specific plans for any price changes for .ORG. Should there be a need for a sensible price increase at some point in the future…

> Public Interest Registry is a mission driven non-profit registry and currently has no specific plans for any price changes This means nothing. It's like when you get the hiring paperwork and the HR person says regarding the non-compete: "oh, don't worry about it, it's not enforceable"...

They already raised prices higher than .COM. Trust us, it's fine isn't a defense. If it's not in writing, it doesn't matter. For an organization already making 30M profit on a monopoly that was gifted to them, and in a world where the registry providing actual services (afilias) has prices decreasing, there is essentially no way to ever 'need' to charge more. Only greed.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by walrus01 » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:26 PM UTC

ailideex wrote: post #22

walrus01 wrote: post #4

Ever since icann lifted the floodgates on all the new gTLDs, it's been almost nothing but unmitigated mediocrity. Follow the money, look at how much a company like donuts pays to icann for the "application fee" for each individual gtld. Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019. Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own thi…

Personally I think it's a bad idea for any corporation to have a whole gtld, Amazon or otherwise.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ohashi » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:28 PM UTC

1-6 wrote: post #8

Will .com prices eventually increase? That'll bring havoc to my collection.

VeriSign lobbyists appeared to be pushing the hardest for this. That's the billion dollar question.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by ailideex » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:30 PM UTC

xur17 wrote: post #23

ailideex wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is this better than namecoin and how will it not end in same problem? Also this really does not do what the person you responded to asked for - I can't get some personal domain name for life from this - it is market based AFAICT. Really seems to solve almost none of the problems and goes directly for what ICANN only now does with .org as no domain will have any price cap with handshake.

> I can't get some personal domain name for life from this - it is market based AFAICT. The yearly renewal fee is fixed, and is a standard transaction fee, not market based [0]. [0] https://handshake.org/faq

Claim from the site you linked to is not the same as your claim:

> Renewals for names are annual and cost a standard network fee. Miners will receive the transaction fee as part of their block reward.

This could mean:

- Fixed USD fee (it is not this one)

- Fixed coin fee (don't think it is this one either) - but coin price is marked based - so fee is market based

- Price does not depend on domain name but miners basically decide the fee like it is with other cryptos (think it is this one) - still market based - and actually could be gamed to make it higher for some domain names

So ...

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by salawat » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:45 PM UTC

ailideex wrote: post #22

walrus01 wrote: post #4

Ever since icann lifted the floodgates on all the new gTLDs, it's been almost nothing but unmitigated mediocrity. Follow the money, look at how much a company like donuts pays to icann for the "application fee" for each individual gtld. Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019.

> Giving .Amazon to the company and not the brazilian-peruvian group that wanted to run it was really a fine example of icann in the year 2019. Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead? If you said that the actual group of mythical woman should have gotten it I would say maybe you have a point, but then we would have to first figure out how mythical creatures can own thi…

>Not to be that guy - but why should the brazilian-peruvian group have gotten it instead?

News flash: You're being that guy.

They have a far more legitimate claim because they administer the majority of the geological zone known as the Amazon Basin, and have since long before Amazon the company was a twinkle in Bezos' eye?

I mean... I'm hoping you were being tongue-in-cheek... Nowadays it seems to be getting more difficult to separate the jokers from those who just haven't quite thought through things long enough before posting.

Re: ICANN lifts the price cap on .org domains

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Post by rasengan » Mon, Jul 01, 2019, 2:48 PM UTC

ailideex wrote: post #15

rasengan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Handshake [1] does this exactly. [1] https://www.handshake.org

How is this better than namecoin and how will it not end in same problem? Also this really does not do what the person you responded to asked for - I can't get some personal domain name for life from this - it is market based AFAICT. Really seems to solve almost none of the problems and goes directly for what ICANN only now does with .org as no domain will have any price cap with handshake.

Namecoin is a great project. One of the issues however is that it introduced a .bit which essentially meant it was a new system/tld. Furthermore, the existing stakeholders in the naming system (domain owners) did not have an easy way to join the system without risk of losing their name or being sold their own name at a high price.

Handshake mitigates this by replacing the root zone entirely and, in addition, allowing existing stakeholders (.com, etc) to continue to own their existing assets.