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An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by arjmandi »

bronzeage wrote: post #14

Iranians need to realize that if they don't anything now about their oppressive regime, they might never be able to. look at China, with their social score, Mass face recognition tech and surveillance. If there were no sanctions, you would be heading the same way. even with santions, it's just a matter of time until every authoritarian Regime in the world is impossible to overthrow. China will export its 1984 tech to…

Although there are facts in your point, it's not all of it. China is also under sanction, and also under domestic internet filtering. Iran also has its own internet filtering. The point here is to reach out to Google and Apple and ask them to brainstorm on this problem, maybe we find a way to stop limiting humanity over politics.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by piokoch »

bronzeage wrote: post #14

Iranians need to realize that if they don't anything now about their oppressive regime, they might never be able to. look at China, with their social score, Mass face recognition tech and surveillance. If there were no sanctions, you would be heading the same way. even with santions, it's just a matter of time until every authoritarian Regime in the world is impossible to overthrow. China will export its 1984 tech to…

I don't think the problem is "oppressive regime", Saudi Arabia is a much more oppressive and intolerant regime than Iran and USA is fine with that.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by luckylion »

serf wrote: post #4

Maybe i'm bitter, or old, but my exclusion from a service is #1 reason to stay away from patronizing it. It's my opinion that the excluded, Iranians in the case of this article, should be having hard discussions about how they could get away from the likes of Google and Apple, not talks about how to integrate into an ecosystem that appears hostile. I understand the difficulty of that in practice, but integrating into…

> Maybe i'm bitter, or old, but my exclusion from a service is #1 reason to stay away from patronizing it.

Sure, sure, but that's often not an option. If you're black and the only grocery store in town has a "no colored people" policy, you're out of luck.

With the internet getting more and more centralized to a few large US corporations, you're in a similar spot. Banned from using their services? There's no alternative, because everybody else relies on them and will have their contracts canceled unless they also not do business with you.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by toong »

mschuster91 wrote: post #20
catmanjan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is straight up racism.

No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities. It's all a huge pile of steaming manure, especially that the US considers companies in the US liable for things that their holding or child companies do in other countries - even if the behavior is fully legal in the place where it happens. And banks and other corporations with e…

Yes, it is.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by mcherm »

mschuster91 wrote: post #20
catmanjan wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is straight up racism.

No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities. It's all a huge pile of steaming manure, especially that the US considers companies in the US liable for things that their holding or child companies do in other countries - even if the behavior is fully legal in the place where it happens. And banks and other corporations with e…

> This is straight up racism

>> No it's not, [banks are scared if the US]

Yes, banks are scared of the US. And perhaps the racism stems from the Italian bank, perhaps it stems from the US government, perhaps it stems from the Iranian definition of citizenship, perhaps all share a part of the blame. But regardless of who gets the blame, it most definitely IS straight up racism.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by luckylion »

Barrin92 wrote: post #17
BorRagnarok wrote: post #3

I sincerely hope that the ongoing trade and business war will lead to nice new competitors to Android and iOS. The more countries they ban the higher the chances.

This is the ironic part right here from a security perspective. If countries with sufficient resources like China or India or Russia would manage to establish a parallel ecosystem every country that even tangentially fears to end up on the USA's bad side has a strong incentive to hop on. America's companies and government might very well be giving up a very comfortable monopoly in some key sectors right now by encour…

> America's companies and government might very well be giving up a very comfortable monopoly in some key sectors right now by encouraging new ecosystems out of necessity.

At the same time, they are exploiting the monopoly (the US as a hole, that is). I suppose there's a line between "this is too much pain, I'm jumping ship" and "this is an acceptable amount of pain, I'll just pay my tribute and stay". I don't know whether they've crossed that line - especially when adopting a Chinese system won't really change a lot, it will only change who you depend on and whose wishes you need to comply with.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by rado »

bronzeage wrote: post #14

Iranians need to realize that if they don't anything now about their oppressive regime, they might never be able to. look at China, with their social score, Mass face recognition tech and surveillance. If there were no sanctions, you would be heading the same way. even with santions, it's just a matter of time until every authoritarian Regime in the world is impossible to overthrow. China will export its 1984 tech to…

Sanctions only strengthen the regime, while economic prosperity strengthens the progressive people and weakens the regime. Both regimes desperately need an enemy to survive.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by espeed »

catmanjan wrote: post #16
rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

That is straight up racism.

Regardless what you think of the tactics, the sanctions are an economic vise -- a negotiating tactic to leverage a position -- it has nothing to do with race.

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by bsaul »

mcherm wrote: post #25
mschuster91 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No it's not, Americans have had difficulties getting banking in Germany because banks fear having US customers exposes them to liabilities. It's all a huge pile of steaming manure, especially that the US considers companies in the US liable for things that their holding or child companies do in other countries - even if the behavior is fully legal in the place where it happens. And banks and other corporations with e…

> This is straight up racism >> No it's not, [banks are scared if the US] Yes, banks are scared of the US. And perhaps the racism stems from the Italian bank, perhaps it stems from the US government, perhaps it stems from the Iranian definition of citizenship, perhaps all share a part of the blame. But regardless of who gets the blame, it most definitely IS straight up racism.

So, racism now doesn't mean race ? Or does race includes nationality in your definition ?

Re: An Open Letter to Google and Apple: Stop Hindering Iranian Entrepreneurs

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Post by mrmonkeyman »

rbrtdrmpc- wrote: post #13

Please to all the posters, stick your head out of your butt for a sec, this Iran thing is not something related to just some poor dev unable to publish on their store, it is a world wide dumb reaction all started from the USA foreign agenda. I'll give you an example to highlight how f'd up is the situation, in Italy, country with a quite respectful relation with Iran, banks started kicking out clients (with a one mon…

Why the dual citizenship? Ius sanguinis is not sufficient.

Give it up and we'll reconsider.

Two-faced sons of b.

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