Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, I will launch into a philosophical discussion of existence from a purely materialistic point of view while ignoring the religious dimension that is almost completely universal to human experience throughout history. I can get away with that because it has become the dominant mode of thought in our materialistic age.
The religious dimension is not universal. The materialistic point of view is. That's why there a many contradictory (and self-contradictory) religions, and only one material world.
The varieties of material existence (2018)
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Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Also, I will launch into a philosophical discussion of existence from a purely materialistic point of view while ignoring the religious dimension that is almost completely universal to human experience throughout history. I can get away with that because it has become the dominant mode of thought in our materialistic age.
"As striking as are the varieties of religious experience, they pale beside the variety of material things that can possibly exist in the universe." Spoken with the self-confidence of someone who's never had anything remotely approaching a religious experience, or deems it worthy of investigation by those with Serious Minds, whose chest will swell with pride as he solemnly observes the traditional a minute of silence…
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, Irony. Those people in graves? They were put there by material impacts. Serious material impacts. That Serious People do pay a lot of attention to. Because the consequences are real, unambiguous, and repeatedly demonstrable.
I'm not sure I see the irony. Nothing you've said is contrary to what I've written. Perhaps there is some sort of a miscommunication here....have you somehow reached the conclusion that I've asserted that material reality doesn't exist, or is unimportant? Meta: Oh my the throttling is especially strong today, I wonder if the "too fast" algorithm got a little fine tuning to reduce the amount of wrong think getting thr…
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
"As striking as are the varieties of religious experience, they pale beside the variety of material things that can possibly exist in the universe." Spoken with the self-confidence of someone who's never had anything remotely approaching a religious experience, or deems it worthy of investigation by those with Serious Minds, whose chest will swell with pride as he solemnly observes the traditional a minute of silence…
Please keep religious flamewar off this site.
I assume this would also apply to political flamewars?
When a flame war arises when someone asking for clarification regarding a (typically pejorative) claim, is guilt or innocence based on relative epistemological truth, or popularity of the idea? As long as one's words are ideologically consistent with the majority opinion, it seems like the HN guidelines have little bearing on acceptability of comments. But go against the grain in the slightest, even asking how someone knows of what they claim to be true, and it seems it won't be long before a warning is received. Completely misrepresent what someone has said, to the degree of pure fantasy? Perfectly fine. "Do not read minds" would be a positive addition to the guidelines imho.
This particular exchange may not be the best example, but on certain topics it seems like anything short of full agreement is no longer tolerated around here. Arguing in bad faith is one thing, not being allowed to disagree is something else entirely.
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Please keep religious flamewar off this site.
Honest question dang: I assume this would also apply to political flamewars? When a flame war arises when someone asking for clarification regarding a (typically pejorative) claim, is guilt or innocence based on relative epistemological truth, or popularity of the idea? As long as one's words are ideologically consistent with the majority opinion, it seems like the HN guidelines have little bearing on acceptability o…
I'm not sure what do make of the rest of your comment. I'd need to see specific links.
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Honest question dang: I assume this would also apply to political flamewars? When a flame war arises when someone asking for clarification regarding a (typically pejorative) claim, is guilt or innocence based on relative epistemological truth, or popularity of the idea? As long as one's words are ideologically consistent with the majority opinion, it seems like the HN guidelines have little bearing on acceptability o…
Yes, it applies to political flamewars. I'm not sure what do make of the rest of your comment. I'd need to see specific links.
If history is any guide, I will be the one at blame. But compare the words written there against the HN guidelines - who is behaving inappropriately? If one disagrees, or dares ask a question, and people lose their tempers because you're challenging their orthodoxy, who is at fault?
If you were to take a careful read through the words written in that entire thread and ones like it, you might notice a recurring pattern of people knowing things that they have no way of knowing. Knowing what people have done in secret. Knowing what people are thinking. Knowing what people's motives for actions are. Knowing what people really mean, even though their words say something else.
If you're tired of ideological flame wars, consider whether people making things up might have something to do with it.
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes, it applies to political flamewars. I'm not sure what do make of the rest of your comment. I'd need to see specific links.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20303294 If history is any guide, I will be the one at blame. But compare the words written there against the HN guidelines - who is behaving inappropriately? If one disagrees, or dares ask a question, and people lose their tempers because you're challenging their orthodoxy, who is at fault? If you were to take a careful read through the words written in that entire thread and one…
As for the comment you linked to, it seems like a neutral statement of what the commenter thinks. Maybe they're mistaken, but I don't see how that was a flamewar comment.
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure I see the irony. Nothing you've said is contrary to what I've written. Perhaps there is some sort of a miscommunication here....have you somehow reached the conclusion that I've asserted that material reality doesn't exist, or is unimportant? Meta: Oh my the throttling is especially strong today, I wonder if the "too fast" algorithm got a little fine tuning to reduce the amount of wrong think getting thr…
The irony is in your own self-confidence, and the idea that strongly-held beliefs are beyond criticism, but that the author's are somehow not.
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20303294 If history is any guide, I will be the one at blame. But compare the words written there against the HN guidelines - who is behaving inappropriately? If one disagrees, or dares ask a question, and people lose their tempers because you're challenging their orthodoxy, who is at fault? If you were to take a careful read through the words written in that entire thread and one…
This is the internet. People are constantly making things up. Actually, this is mostly what people do. I don't think we can do much about that. It isn't against the site guidelines to be wrong. As for the comment you linked to, it seems like a neutral statement of what the commenter thinks. Maybe they're mistaken, but I don't see how that was a flamewar comment.
Re: The varieties of material existence (2018)
#30This is remarkable because 99.99...% of the universe is 100% plasma. It takes a very willful sort of blindness not to notice it, not even to dismiss it as uninteresting.
The author is not alone in this. Astronomers have traditionally avoided any mention of plasma, despite that it is about all they can look at, only planetary bodies excepted.
I think the reason is similar to physicists' long avoidance of solid-state phenomena. Murray Gell-Mann famously called it "squalid-state physics", and disparaged people who worked in it. The mathematics was considered intractable.
Plasma dynamics has even more intractable mathematics. It is humbling to physicists used to mastery. Navier-Stokes equations are no picnic at the best of tines, but plasma dynamics makes them a footnote: neutral-fluid equations. I think it must be this shame that turns most physicists away.
"Pay no attention to the plasma behind the curtain!"
I think of generation after generation of students steered quietly and carefully away from natural interest in this stuff so hard to study, and so hard to predict. I am awed by those who overcome the ingrained distaste of their mentors and take on solar physics.
We could say that God is a plasma physicist who has been known to dabble in beetle ecosystems.