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Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Has there been any serious thought / discussion about how the cat and mouse chase of the ads vs ad blockers is going to end? It would be interesting to see where we are in ten years.

Desktop-wise, I've often thought [evergreen] client-side tools would emerge for content extraction via local [headless] browser automation. It's something I've contemplated building myself.

There is Weboob which might interest you http://weboob.org

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Maybe it's to identify users behind a VPN as this is fingerprinting the device, not the connection. That's why I think the idea of running each site in a container is so effective. And while we're at it the container should just spit out random shit like different resolution, audio api, user agent, once in a while (unless the user turns it off) to thwart such attempts. Unfortunately when the creator and maintener of…

> And while we're at it the container should just spit out random shit like different resolution, audio api, user agent, once in a while (unless the user turns it off) to thwart such attempts. Wouldn't that break the legitimate feature-detection uses for these APIs? Asking the user to identify and whitelist each call is impractical, especially since the fail-case in this scenario would be subtle (you'd still see the…

Yes I thought about it that's why "unless the user turns it off" comment in parens. I think out of 100 sites I visit everyday no website needs to access the audio api without my consent maybe except one or two which i can whitelist. Same for user agent, I don't think it should break if the container says I'm running firefox v65 or v67, etc.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Has there been any serious thought / discussion about how the cat and mouse chase of the ads vs ad blockers is going to end? It would be interesting to see where we are in ten years.

Adsense is just going to start providing content for you to inline into your site.

Kind of like how https://old.reddit.com/r/gaming/ is just a sequence of ads being flawlessly delivered to an ad-averse demographic that eats the ads up.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Neural networks scan the final rendered image of the page for ads and remove them. You can't dodge that.

Sure you can, the same way TV shows have done it - by subtly incorporating it into the text of the article.

At that point I think most people wouldn't care. Nobody is offended because James Bond wears an Omega watch. When it is doing not so subtly then it becomes weird (e.g.: transformers)

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Has there been any serious thought / discussion about how the cat and mouse chase of the ads vs ad blockers is going to end? It would be interesting to see where we are in ten years.

I think ad blocking is a misnomer. What people are trying to do when blocking ads is prevent marketing people from spying on them. And the performance and resource consumption that comes from that. Personal opinion: Laws are needed to make what advertisers are doing illegal. Advertisers are spying on people to the extent where if the government did it they'd need a warrant.

I'm doing both. I don't want to be spied on, and there is no room in any sector of my life for corporate propaganda.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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> most will be on Android/iOS where ad blocking will be minimal Safari on iOS allows for content blocking, and Firefox for Android allows users to install extensions.

Safari on iOS allows limited content blocking. It doesn’t allow ad blocking anywhere else, which is most of the platform. And, I was referring to the future and trends rather than the current situation. System wide ad blocking used to be possible on iOS without jailbreaking, now it’s not. I expect in time google will go similar and change android APIs, or play store rules, to do similar.

> It doesn’t allow ad blocking anywhere else, which is most of the platform.

It also works inside apps adopting Safari View Controller.

Re: Why is Stack Overflow trying to start audio?

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Maybe it's to identify users behind a VPN as this is fingerprinting the device, not the connection. That's why I think the idea of running each site in a container is so effective. And while we're at it the container should just spit out random shit like different resolution, audio api, user agent, once in a while (unless the user turns it off) to thwart such attempts. Unfortunately when the creator and maintener of…

> And while we're at it the container should just spit out random shit like different resolution, audio api, user agent, once in a while (unless the user turns it off) to thwart such attempts. Wouldn't that break the legitimate feature-detection uses for these APIs? Asking the user to identify and whitelist each call is impractical, especially since the fail-case in this scenario would be subtle (you'd still see the…

That, and it should be pretty easy to filter out this kind of fake "chaff" data.
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