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We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by rtio »

dmortin wrote: post #13
superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

Not really. Tends to be the same in any booming city. The opposite is the exception.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by shuckles »

dmortin wrote: post #13
superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

The resources exist, but San Francisco is very poorly governed, and one way that manifests is inefficiency at all levels. A unit of affordable housing costs $750k and a decade from site acquisition to occupancy.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by gwbas1c »

> We tried to raise money from VCs in SV twice, and we failed. Why? Our product wasn’t good enough and we didn’t have enough growth.

Maybe it's time to stop, or take your experience and re-apply it elsewhere?

The thing with software is that it's very quick to prove (or disprove) a business model. If you're working on something for years and don't have the profits (or free users) to show, it's unlikely that you'll succeed.

Now, let's be honest: Meeting people in VR is really cool. I'm sure that you can figure SOMETHING out that will apply in the K-12 space, even if it's not what your original vision is.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by leesalminen »

rtio wrote: post #21
dmortin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

Not really. Tends to be the same in any booming city. The opposite is the exception.

We just came back from Nashville, a fast growing city with 150 new residents every day. We did not experience any of the issues we saw in SF earlier this year (and last year, and the year before that).

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by shafyy »

superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

Oversimplifying here, but the homeless probem arises due to high housing cost and poor health care system. In addition to fighting the symptoms (which is already being done ok-ish), we need to fight the mentioned root causes.

Unfortunately, the health care problem goes back to CA or even on a national level. Often times, mentally ill or people that lost their jobs for another reason become homeless, and from there the downward spiral begins. So, a better security net for those who suffer from mental and physical problems would be a good start.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by argd678 »

jdsully wrote: post #7
argd678 wrote: post #3

> It’s true, though. The concentration of talented, hard-working, smart people in SV is astonishing. I’ve lived in the Bay Area for a long time, and recently moved to Seattle; I find the rank and file talent in Seattle to be a good noch or two above SV. I’ve also heard that from startups too who looked to Seattle after not finding the talent they needed.

You aren’t supposed to tell people that! Also it rains and is dreary all winter there.

You forgot the food also kinda sucks, just about anything in the Mission beats the pants off the PNW.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by tedajax »

ghaff wrote: post #2

>Obviously, VR will transform the nature of remote work. The rest of the post makes perfect sense given their situation. This, however, is pretty silly. I do firmly believe that there is a need for better remote collaboration tools. I see pretty much zero evidence that VR is an essential part (or even an optional part) of that.

Sweating in a VR headset for 8 hours a day sounds great doesn't it?

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by andymoe »

enraged_camel wrote: post #18
dmortin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

The argument most commonly put forth by NIMBY types is that providing services for homeless people simply encourages more homeless to move to that city. Here in Austin, the City announced plans to build a new community center to help the homeless. Nearby residents are losing their fucking minds over it.

Same in San Francisco... I think we might actually get it built anyway though.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by themagician »

dmortin wrote: post #13
superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

It's strange that a rich area can't take care of this problem. E.g. supporting the homeless some way, cleaning them up and helping them to find some job and housing.

It’s not a problem for the really wealthy. If you’re really wealthy and live in SF you live at elevation where homeless are rare. Pacific Heights, Ashbury Heights, Nob Hill, Russian Hill—the occasional homeless person but nothing out of that ordinary.

The homeless problem is a sea level problem.

Re: We moved to Turkey from San Francisco to continue working on our startup

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Post by devnonymous »

andreygrehov wrote: post #17
superpermutat0r wrote: post #4

I can't even work in SF. The time wasted to drive to work kills me, I can't get desensitized to all the homeless shitting on streets, stabbing themselves with needles, talking schizophrenically in a dead language, every time I go grab a coffee or lunch in a cheaper area, it's like watching animal slaughter every day. Quality of life definitely much better in Mediterranean city I live today.

Homelessness should be illegal.

Absolutely! Put them all in jail, where they have a roof over their head, a bed to sleep, 2 square meals, sanitation... paid for by tax dollars.... errr or some such.

/sarsasm in case it was not evident. some days I just don't know whether it would be evident here.

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