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Forrst v3 Launched Today

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Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#21

Post by citricsquid »

huhtenberg wrote: post #7

I've been a member of Forrst for a while and my enthusiasm has taken a nose dive in a past couple of months. The main problem is not the site design. It is the fact that Forrst is overrun with kids. "I am an aspiring 13 old designer, and here is something I did in a couple of hours because I was bored". That's not to say that are no gems in the feed, but these are typically cross-posts from Dribbble. Trying to build…

I've always felt that the real good people don't have time for these secretive communities, they'd rather be doing shit so you'll always have the middle ground between mediocre and amazing. I'm sure the "best" (with regards to what they do) hackernews members rarely (if ever) comment because they're too busy being the best, you don't get to the top by talking about it.

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#22

Post by davidu »

kylebragger wrote: post #12
davidu wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the exclusive community that doesn't allow regular folks in has let in some bad neighbors? Good thing they have kept their walls up... Good lesson there...

Could you elaborate a bit?

Lots of sites think they need to put up walls to maintain a sense of community.

History all across the Internet (and before the Internet) has shown this to be a fallacy.

Tragedies of the common are avoided by proper structure and accountability tools, not by erecting walls to keep people out.

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#23

Post by huhtenberg »

davidu wrote: post #22
kylebragger wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate a bit?

Lots of sites think they need to put up walls to maintain a sense of community. History all across the Internet (and before the Internet) has shown this to be a fallacy. Tragedies of the common are avoided by proper structure and accountability tools, not by erecting walls to keep people out.

You are over-generalizing, and more to the point - you are clearly neither a Forrst or Dribbble user. The difference in the quality of the content is very noticeable. To put it into a more sensible coordinate system, Dribble is a moderated mailing list, and Forrst is an unmoderated one. Or, better analogy perhaps would be hackers vs. script kiddies - do you know of many hangouts of former that tolerate (leave alone embrace) latter? Me neither.

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#24

Post by davidu »

huhtenberg wrote: post #23
davidu wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of sites think they need to put up walls to maintain a sense of community. History all across the Internet (and before the Internet) has shown this to be a fallacy. Tragedies of the common are avoided by proper structure and accountability tools, not by erecting walls to keep people out.

You are over-generalizing, and more to the point - you are clearly neither a Forrst or Dribbble user. The difference in the quality of the content is very noticeable. To put it into a more sensible coordinate system, Dribble is a moderated mailing list, and Forrst is an unmoderated one. Or, better analogy perhaps would be hackers vs. script kiddies - do you know of many hangouts of former that tolerate (leave alone e…

History has always proven my statements to be right.

Changing human behavior in such a fundamental way is highly unlikely to happen from some technical limits put up on a website.

I don't need to be a part of those sites to know this.

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#25

Post by steveklabnik »

citricsquid wrote: post #21
huhtenberg wrote: post #7

I've been a member of Forrst for a while and my enthusiasm has taken a nose dive in a past couple of months. The main problem is not the site design. It is the fact that Forrst is overrun with kids. "I am an aspiring 13 old designer, and here is something I did in a couple of hours because I was bored". That's not to say that are no gems in the feed, but these are typically cross-posts from Dribbble. Trying to build…

I've always felt that the real good people don't have time for these secretive communities, they'd rather be doing shit so you'll always have the middle ground between mediocre and amazing. I'm sure the "best" (with regards to what they do) hackernews members rarely (if ever) comment because they're too busy being the best, you don't get to the top by talking about it.

This is sometimes true, sometimes not. I know a few amazing designers that are on Dribble all the time, because it's an outlet for fun things they're making that have nothing to do with client work.

By the same token, if you check out /leaders, lots of people at the top _are_ killing it. There are obviously tons of successful people that aren't on HN, but "commenting on HN means you're unsuccessful," is trivially disproven.

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#26

Post by didip »

Hi Kyle,

If I may ask for 1 feature request (programmer specific):

Really good GitHub and BitBucket and Google Code integration. In particular, newsfeed-like thing that keep track of:

* Who is working on what...

* New comments on issue tracker...

* pull requests from github or bitbucket or others...

My biggest need when it comes to programming community is keeping up (communication-wise or code-wise) with all the OSS libraries I use. GitHub does much better job than the others, but they do only git.

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#27

Post by citricsquid »

steveklabnik wrote: post #25
citricsquid wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've always felt that the real good people don't have time for these secretive communities, they'd rather be doing shit so you'll always have the middle ground between mediocre and amazing. I'm sure the "best" (with regards to what they do) hackernews members rarely (if ever) comment because they're too busy being the best, you don't get to the top by talking about it.

This is sometimes true, sometimes not. I know a few amazing designers that are on Dribble all the time, because it's an outlet for fun things they're making that have nothing to do with client work. By the same token, if you check out /leaders, lots of people at the top _are_ killing it. There are obviously tons of successful people that aren't on HN, but "commenting on HN means you're unsuccessful," is trivially dis…

> but "commenting on HN means you're unsuccessful," is trivially disproven.

but I didn't even say that, you just pulled that quote out of thin air. Of course posting here doesn't make you unsuccessful, but if you are successful you're less likely to be posting here. I at no point claimed the former...

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#28

Post by steveklabnik »

citricsquid wrote: post #27
steveklabnik wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sometimes true, sometimes not. I know a few amazing designers that are on Dribble all the time, because it's an outlet for fun things they're making that have nothing to do with client work. By the same token, if you check out /leaders, lots of people at the top _are_ killing it. There are obviously tons of successful people that aren't on HN, but "commenting on HN means you're unsuccessful," is trivially dis…

> but "commenting on HN means you're unsuccessful," is trivially disproven. but I didn't even say that, you just pulled that quote out of thin air. Of course posting here doesn't make you unsuccessful, but if you are successful you're less likely to be posting here. I at no point claimed the former...

Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you said that directly, just using quotes for grouping... maybe single quotes? Or just re-working the sentence?

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#29

Post by RossM »

huhtenberg wrote: post #7

I've been a member of Forrst for a while and my enthusiasm has taken a nose dive in a past couple of months. The main problem is not the site design. It is the fact that Forrst is overrun with kids. "I am an aspiring 13 old designer, and here is something I did in a couple of hours because I was bored". That's not to say that are no gems in the feed, but these are typically cross-posts from Dribbble. Trying to build…

Hah, excellent. I never even applied for membership as I didn't have any examples of what I have done online but always assumed this would be a somewhat stricter than "I made this in Photoshop". Not as excited about applying now.

Re: Forrst v3 Launched Today

#30

Post by krainboltgreene »

citricsquid wrote: post #27
steveklabnik wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is sometimes true, sometimes not. I know a few amazing designers that are on Dribble all the time, because it's an outlet for fun things they're making that have nothing to do with client work. By the same token, if you check out /leaders, lots of people at the top _are_ killing it. There are obviously tons of successful people that aren't on HN, but "commenting on HN means you're unsuccessful," is trivially dis…

> but "commenting on HN means you're unsuccessful," is trivially disproven. but I didn't even say that, you just pulled that quote out of thin air. Of course posting here doesn't make you unsuccessful, but if you are successful you're less likely to be posting here. I at no point claimed the former...

    but if you are successful you're less likely 
    to be posting here
Anything to back that up?
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