Click saver: for desktop replacement Pxx models only.
Which have NVIDIA graphics cards.
Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad
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#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
China has used its own FreeBSD (kylin) and then ubuntu-based (neokylin) since 2001. Nearly half of all laptops are sold with it. Likewise, North Korea has Red Star since 2008 which is mandatory or risk forced labor. While kylin isn't too far off from a traditional distro, officers will force you to install rootkits on both desktop/laptops and phones (JingWang). If you're caught later with it missing you will most lik…
It has always amazed me that North Korea is able to create an OS like Red Star. I assume it takes a lot of knowledge and skill to stitch together such an OS, with fairly "unique" spying features not really seen in other distros. Considering the limited access to the internet and not being able to ask StackOverflow users, how can they even manage building such a complex piece of software?
Well they have nukes, so a Linux distro shouldn't be too hard.
Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad
#23Click saver: for desktop replacement Pxx models only.
The P1 is a great light-weight desktop replacement.
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#24Crossing fingers for China to adopt Linux rather than make their own thing in response to the US export restrictions.
China has used its own FreeBSD (kylin) and then ubuntu-based (neokylin) since 2001. Nearly half of all laptops are sold with it. Likewise, North Korea has Red Star since 2008 which is mandatory or risk forced labor. While kylin isn't too far off from a traditional distro, officers will force you to install rootkits on both desktop/laptops and phones (JingWang). If you're caught later with it missing you will most lik…
>If you're caught later with it missing you will most likely disappear.
That could well be true in North Korea, but Chinese really isn’t like that. They have a very active tech industry so installing and experimenting with Linux distros and such that might not have monitoring software is fine. As long as you don’t do something openly suspect, like post something considered anti government, they just leave people alone.
I have relatives in China who have desktops and laptops and never come across Kylin. As far as I know it’s mainly used by the military and government departments.
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#25Is windows tax really that bad? I mean I can get an OEM license for 12 dollars most of the time because of promotions.
So if I as a consumer pay 12 dollars for an OEM version, I would expect Lenovo to pay much less.
Also my first observation is that these laptops are far too big and powerful for my work with Linux.
I work full time in Linux but I focus more on weight and form factor than CPU and GPU because all my work is done in terminals.
The X280 or X1 are perfect for me. No dedicated GPU means slim form factor, light weight, and everything I need for my type of work in Gnome and Terminal.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
China has used its own FreeBSD (kylin) and then ubuntu-based (neokylin) since 2001. Nearly half of all laptops are sold with it. Likewise, North Korea has Red Star since 2008 which is mandatory or risk forced labor. While kylin isn't too far off from a traditional distro, officers will force you to install rootkits on both desktop/laptops and phones (JingWang). If you're caught later with it missing you will most lik…
>If you're caught later with it missing you will most likely disappear. That could well be true in North Korea, but Chinese really isn’t like that. They have a very active tech industry so installing and experimenting with Linux distros and such that might not have monitoring software is fine. As long as you don’t do something openly suspect, like post something considered anti government, they just leave people alon…
That comment refers to JingWang not the OS. If you were an individual forced to install it you are added to a registry. If you live in a particular city, it is mandatory. If you are part of a particular minority, it is mandatory. Refusing to install it or prove its installation if your national identity is in the registry is a crime and you wil be arrested.
Beijing is not Kashgar. Many Chinese will experience relative freedom and others live in city-sized prisons.
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It's just a Linux distro. Anyone can make one.
Yes, but even though I myself have created my own Linux distro, I would absolutely not be able to do that with restricted internet access, without access to the guide-books, and without the help of IRC. I suspect this would be the case for most of my developer friends as well.
I'm sure they can get access to necessary documentation.
If anything it must be easier to do it without the distractions of the web.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's just a Linux distro. Anyone can make one.
My mother can't. You need a skilled, trained and informed team of technicians to do so. In a dictature killing access to culture and education, it not weird to assume it is hard to breed those so you have a limited pool. So yes, I understand the surprise. Which means NK has some resources we don't include in the picture.
One nerd is pretty much all it takes.
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#29Is windows tax really that bad? I mean I can get an OEM license for 12 dollars most of the time because of promotions. So if I as a consumer pay 12 dollars for an OEM version, I would expect Lenovo to pay much less. Also my first observation is that these laptops are far too big and powerful for my work with Linux. I work full time in Linux but I focus more on weight and form factor than CPU and GPU because all my wo…
Besides the windows tax aspect there is also the aspect of a vendor taking a bit of responsibility around what the user experience (hardware support etc) is like when running linux on their hardware. Offering an option for shipping with linux seems to serve as a catalyst for that.
Re: Lenovo Shipping Ubuntu Linux on 2019 ThinkPad
#30Is windows tax really that bad? I mean I can get an OEM license for 12 dollars most of the time because of promotions. So if I as a consumer pay 12 dollars for an OEM version, I would expect Lenovo to pay much less. Also my first observation is that these laptops are far too big and powerful for my work with Linux. I work full time in Linux but I focus more on weight and form factor than CPU and GPU because all my wo…
Personally I have no desire to buy a license which is being shoved down my throat against my will. It's a matter of principle, not of the sum involved.