>understandings of genes as immutable features of biology that are fixed at conception This 'understanding' has been known to be wrong for 30+ years now. Rearrangements, microchimerism, epigenetics, chromosome organization etc. are all things that exist and modulate information transfer beyond the standard four letters or the 'environment' (whatever people think it means) and we're still only scratching the surface.…
>> DNA is not source code It is source code, it's just that source code is self-modifying.
Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
21–30 of 66 posts
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
This understanding was still taught like that in the 90's, western continental Europe.
True. Most of what I've been taught after high school feels like "you've been lied to, everything you were taught in high school was wrong or grossly oversimplified and now you need to unlearn it all and relearn from scratch." Makes you wonder what the purpose of high school was in the first place.
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#23Anyways. Their functional enrichment analysis is uncorrected for the known bias of the platform (something that has been repeatedly addressed by multiple authors since 2012), and no attempt appears to have been made to correct for cryptic stratification (i.e. structural polymorphisms, which are rampant in human populations, and particularly among so-called metabolic genes), though in the study population that may not be a major issue.
Quantile normalization is only appropriate if one can reasonably assert that the overall distribution of measurements is roughly the same between individuals and groups; this assumption has been shown to be invalid in the absence of positive and negative controls for gene expression, whence its original propagation, and more so for DNA methylation under various conditions. The batch correction approach used here is notorious for squashing real signal, although paradoxically that may have moderated some of the other methods choices.
Moreover, the paper demonstrates that a particular sample of high-SES vs. low-SES individuals in Cebu in the Philippines demonstrates some (fairly tiny) differences in DNA methylation at a relatively small number of CpGs (about 2000 out of 485000 or so measured and 110000 or so tested), without particular note as to whether the sites are clustered, functional, or otherwise of interest. The functional impact of these changes are difficult to interpret, partly because of the bias in the functional analysis (something that has been established for nearly a decade; the authors clearly went shopping for methods in a "confirmatory" style).
We shan't even bother to discuss the effect of [mal]nutrition on metabolism and thereby upon DNA methylation and cell composition (both intertwined, although an attempt was made to correct for the interaction), which further muddies the waters w/r/t SES as opposed to individual-level effects. The analysis is done with a fixed-effects model assuming unstructured shrinkage, which of course is a bit odd considering that the measurements have a relatively easily determined correlation structure (their sample size is sufficient to estimate this) and thus variance decomposition could have been highly informative. This is doubly odd for a population "epigenetics" study, given that variance components were literally invented in population genetics.
In conclusion, while it's a lovely piece for a PR department, the actual relevance of either the measurements or the phenomena to actual humans and public policy is quite difficult to interpret. Perhaps that was the point...
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> DNA is not source code It is source code, it's just that source code is self-modifying.
Also the compiler is self-modifying. And the compiler flags as well. And the OS. And the chip architecture sometimes. Like, at what point do we decide that pushing the analogy further is just silly and just drop it altogether?
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
This understanding was still taught like that in the 90's, western continental Europe.
True. Most of what I've been taught after high school feels like "you've been lied to, everything you were taught in high school was wrong or grossly oversimplified and now you need to unlearn it all and relearn from scratch." Makes you wonder what the purpose of high school was in the first place.
Oh, I have an opinion about that:
Well. First and above all the first purpose of school and high school is to learn to follow authority (edit: authority in every other meanings. Tthe first authority to submit oneself to is the school). This is the first brick and if it's not assimilated in a way that suits the school the student will get thrown out of the system.
A century ago there's the industrial revolution mantra: produce workers who can read and understand semi-complex or complex instructions in written and oral forms and manipulate tools (typewriters, screwdrivers, hydraulics, mechanics, machines, etc.).
And now there's the "learn to learn" mantra because few things taught in the 'regular', 'normal' or 'general' school and high school cursus land jobs in the post-industrial and the information societies. Does not seem to apply to trade schools.
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#26>understandings of genes as immutable features of biology that are fixed at conception This 'understanding' has been known to be wrong for 30+ years now. Rearrangements, microchimerism, epigenetics, chromosome organization etc. are all things that exist and modulate information transfer beyond the standard four letters or the 'environment' (whatever people think it means) and we're still only scratching the surface.…
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> DNA is not source code It is source code, it's just that source code is self-modifying.
Also the compiler is self-modifying. And the compiler flags as well. And the OS. And the chip architecture sometimes. Like, at what point do we decide that pushing the analogy further is just silly and just drop it altogether?
Aren’t we somehow simulating how life works? Higher abstractions/constructs improve the way the lower constructs work :). Of course, just an oversimplification.
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> DNA is not source code It is source code, it's just that source code is self-modifying.
Also the compiler is self-modifying. And the compiler flags as well. And the OS. And the chip architecture sometimes. Like, at what point do we decide that pushing the analogy further is just silly and just drop it altogether?
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
>> DNA is not source code It is source code, it's just that source code is self-modifying.
Also the compiler is self-modifying. And the compiler flags as well. And the OS. And the chip architecture sometimes. Like, at what point do we decide that pushing the analogy further is just silly and just drop it altogether?
Re: Poverty leaves a mark on our genes
#30All that's going on here is that people in the Philipenes have differences in environmental exposures that affect gene expression in their immune system, and this, unsurprisingly, differs by SES. No evidence that any of these marks are more than temporary marks of current gene expression patterns let alone anything as shocking as passing through the germ line to the next generation.