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Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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I wonder how true this is. I have been trying to switch to a more carnivore diet - more red meat eg steak - for rumored benefits of lowering inflammation and boosting immune system. This is stating the reverse.

It is very likely the information you base your current diet on is wrong. Scientific consensus have long shown the exact opposite. The carnivore diet as a long term option is likely to be harmful. I recommend you to do more research on this.

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With more and more people switching to vegetarian and vegan fake meats, I'd be interested in understanding what is the wisdom on highly processed vegetable-based foods.

It's simple. Avoid them, just as you should avoid processed meat. Easy less processed food, and lots of fruit, veg, fiber, and protein from whatever source you like. That's the key to a healthy diet.

I don't get the downvotes, it's a pretty solid advice.

You have to try really hard to be unhealthy if you eat unprocessed meat, veggies, grains and stick to the basics. It's what millions of years of evolution engineered our body for. Not 300gr of smoked bacon every morning and 1L of fruit juice per day.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nutritional science, so the error bars are big, the effect sizes are small and the confounding variables numerous. At least a plant-based diet reduces your GHG footprint, so there's that. If you want to switch to a more carnivorous diet, I'd suggest chicken instead of beef. The evidence for mammalian meat being slightly carcinogenic seems to be pretty solid, and the climate impact of beef is about ten times that…

You also cause way less suffering in the world, which is something I believe is very much worth striving for.

Eating far less meat, but meat that is produced to far higher standards of animal welfare would seem a reasonable compromise to me.

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With more and more people switching to vegetarian and vegan fake meats, I'd be interested in understanding what is the wisdom on highly processed vegetable-based foods.

Processing foods is what likely helped Homo to get enough energy to evolve big brains. So, processing foods isn’t all that bad, and it may even be hard-wired in many of us.

But, Humans tend to take things too far, and inventing new ways of processing is really fun! So, most food today is over-processed. It’s acceptable to grind, dice, tear, smash, smush, squeeze, ferment, spice, salt, and cook veggies, lightly. Any more than that is risky territory.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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I think the longevity of dietary advice is pretty low. Remember when eggs were the enemy, when fat was the enemy, when carbs were the enemy? Meat had to have it's turn sometime.

didn't you hear that eggs are again an enemy? it's like politics

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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it will boost the longevity of our biosphere, based on a 5 year Oxford Uni study - see https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2018/may/31/avoiding...

And also have a look at research by PCRM (group of doctors and medical pros): https://www.pcrm.org/term/processed-meat

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's nutritional science, so the error bars are big, the effect sizes are small and the confounding variables numerous. At least a plant-based diet reduces your GHG footprint, so there's that. If you want to switch to a more carnivorous diet, I'd suggest chicken instead of beef. The evidence for mammalian meat being slightly carcinogenic seems to be pretty solid, and the climate impact of beef is about ten times that…

You also cause way less suffering in the world, which is something I believe is very much worth striving for.

Animals eating other animals is natural evolutionary behavior. If carnivore animals had the same concerns and turned to tofu, they'd be dead.

Let's concentrate of the suffering of our fellow human beings...

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You also cause way less suffering in the world, which is something I believe is very much worth striving for.

Eating far less meat, but meat that is produced to far higher standards of animal welfare would seem a reasonable compromise to me.

There’s really no amount of nice treatment that makes taking a calf away from its mother alright. I’m not aware of any ways to produce dairy without systematic animal abuse.

Re: Less Processed Meat, More Plant-Based Foods May Boost Longevity

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I think the longevity of dietary advice is pretty low. Remember when eggs were the enemy, when fat was the enemy, when carbs were the enemy? Meat had to have it's turn sometime.

Dietary advice lives longer when it contains less processed food.
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