I’m really into the dark future of DRM enforcement drones flying around cities listening for illegal streaming.
I am not sure how many people outside the UK are aware of this, but a similar thing has existed there for nearly 70 years.
Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games
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#22This reminds me of a short story by Paul Ford from a few years back[1]:
We had gone to a baseball game at the beginning of the season. They had played a song on the public address system, and she sang along without permission. They used to factor that into ticket price—they still do if you pay extra or have a season pass—but now other companies handled the followup. And here was the video from that day, one of many tens of thousands simultaneously recorded from gun scanners on the stadium roof. In the video my daughter wore a cap and a blue T-shirt. I sat beside her, my arm over her shoulder, grinning. Her voice was clear and high; the ambient roar of the audience beyond us filtered down to static...
I told my waiting daughter to go ahead and pay the few dollars, just part of the latent cost of a ticket. She tapped and the tablet made its cash-register sound, and the video was irrevocably destroyed so that it could never again be shared.
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#23> Spanish data protection agency claims that the app didn’t make [the use of the microphone permission] clear, and has ordered LaLiga to take down the app by June 30th So all they have to do is describe what it does and hope users don't uninstall it? seems lesser than getting removed from the app stores
I'm waiting for a company to start paying $X to the first Y people that passively find illegal streaming. Turn people into fully aware copyright cops on your behalf. You leave an app running in the background and it listens 24x7 for unauthorized sports broadcasts.
Oh but that exists (kinda)
They pay people to go around bars and find the ones that are showing the games without the glass drawing on the corner (drawing also changes depending on the day, etc)
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#24This is an old story. The update is the Spanish gov fining the league 1/240th of their top player’s salary (250k/61m) for abusing 10m of their residents’ personal technology and privacy. Another way of putting it is 1/100th of the team salary for the lowest spending team (250k/24m). Which, in-turn, spends 1/33rd as much as the top spender.
What are `(250k/61m)` and `(250k/24m)`? 250.000 euros per 61 months? How can that be expressed in a fine? 250.000 * 61? I am confused, sorry.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously it is my responsibility to keep those bytes away from you. If you come into possession of them in the absence of some kind of contractual obligation regarding how you'll handle them (ie a privacy policy to which you and I have jointly agreed), then yes of course you can do what you wish with them. Isn't this the same argument currently making its way through the public mindshare regarding WikiLeaks? Of cour…
Ok, so you're walking down the street with a locked phone in your pocket. I send an Android Bluetooth 0-day payload to your phone. Nothing wrong with that, after all I'm just asking your phone if it wants to copy some bytes, and it says 'sure!'. Not my problem if your phone does something funky with those bytes. Now I have root, and copy off all of your pictures and private data onto my device. Nothing wrong with tha…
You've glossed over the important part.
Yes, in a free society, it's my responsibility to be a ward against 0-days. This is the problem with unduly complex and / or closed source software and closed, proprietary hardware being in our pockets in the first place.
To paint over these problems by restraining basic, fundamental speech (ie, you can repeat anything you know to anyone, specific contracts notwithstanding) is throwing away the baby instead of the bathwater.
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#26This is an old story. The update is the Spanish gov fining the league 1/240th of their top player’s salary (250k/61m) for abusing 10m of their residents’ personal technology and privacy. Another way of putting it is 1/100th of the team salary for the lowest spending team (250k/24m). Which, in-turn, spends 1/33rd as much as the top spender.
"the recordings of others will always be illegal because they violate the Fundamental Right to the Secrecy of Communications, established in Article 18.3 of the Spanish Constitution." [1]
A very mild punishment for 10 million instances of breaking their constitution. Since the law is equal for all, I can only assume an individual spying on conversations would be treated with similar clemency.
And despite what the league says, yes, it is spying. They listen in for some piece of data that they're curious about. That they discard irrelevant bits client-side doesn't change that.
[1] https://www.ilpabogados.com/en/is-it-legal-to-record-a-conve...
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#27I’m really into the dark future of DRM enforcement drones flying around cities listening for illegal streaming.
I am not sure how many people outside the UK are aware of this, but a similar thing has existed there for nearly 70 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TV_detector_van
The vans exist. The implied technology within them not so much.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/bbc-tv-licence-v...
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#28One of those cases where both sides are in the mud. La Liga is struggling with piracy of games for long. They have been trying to make money of their product (football essentially features two of the greatest players to play the game in last 10 years, only one now) but struggle due to their whacky ideas and no care about fans. Sample this: The timings of games are as early as 12PM (spanish siesta is at 4PM) and as late as 11 PM local time. They host 10 rounds every week, most in different slots to get more eyeballs. They have acted in bad faith in a sense too. Spanish law requires one of those 10 games to be free to air. They made sure that game is one held on Friday or Monday at 11 PM (teams' fans call it graveyard shift) and nothing on f2a tv on weekend.The ones listed are the ideas which made through while others like having one random game in US thankfully did not. Though, given their ineptitude, its a sure wonder how they managed to execute this so well.
Bars should not be streaming the games illegally either. But since the cable prices are too high, and nothing on free to air, they have to in order to attract crowds. There is no official streaming service - albeit not bundled with cable tv subscription - that people in these countries can make use of to watch games.
The path forward maybe what Formula1 did by introducing a streaming service which is not geo blocked. This way, I can watch a race at reasonable subscription from anywhere in the world. They also allow me a racer only feed, or the global feed, or a feed from a particular stand. I will definitely buy it if any official football league offers that too.
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#29This is an old story. The update is the Spanish gov fining the league 1/240th of their top player’s salary (250k/61m) for abusing 10m of their residents’ personal technology and privacy. Another way of putting it is 1/100th of the team salary for the lowest spending team (250k/24m). Which, in-turn, spends 1/33rd as much as the top spender.
What are `(250k/61m)` and `(250k/24m)`? 250.000 euros per 61 months? How can that be expressed in a fine? 250.000 * 61? I am confused, sorry.
250k is the fine, 61m is the top salary, 250k/61m is 1/244
Re: Shazam-like technology used to identify bars illegally streaming soccer games
#30This is an old story. The update is the Spanish gov fining the league 1/240th of their top player’s salary (250k/61m) for abusing 10m of their residents’ personal technology and privacy. Another way of putting it is 1/100th of the team salary for the lowest spending team (250k/24m). Which, in-turn, spends 1/33rd as much as the top spender.
What are `(250k/61m)` and `(250k/24m)`? 250.000 euros per 61 months? How can that be expressed in a fine? 250.000 * 61? I am confused, sorry.
I assume 250k was the fine, 61m the top player's salary, and 24 million the lowest team salary.