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Opera 11 goes final

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Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by mcrittenden »

oconnore wrote: post #10
jm4 wrote: post #6

This is kind of off topic, but the Opera system tray icon drives me nuts and it is probably driving someone else nuts too. For whatever reason, the /notrayicon switch does not work for me after I upgraded. I'm not sure if previous versions have this, but in this one you can disable the tray icon via opera:config. Paste opera:config#UserPrefs|ShowTrayIcon in the address bar, uncheck, save and restart.

Every OS I have ever used has a way to hide system tray icons. Windows has had this since 98, both Gnome and KDE have it, and OSX has it. What is the problem exactly? And how are you so annoyed by a 16x16 pixel red O? Please never try to drive in NYC...

It's annoying to me too. I can't just hide all my tray icons because I need some of them, and the red O makes my desktop/theme look crappy since all the other icons are white (using GNOME with Orta theme + Faenza icons).

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by GeneralMaximus »

After upgrading, it kept freezing every time I started it. Turns out it was choking on the Google Body Browser tab. Quickly switching to Body Browser and closing the tab before it could load prevented it from freezing again, but it's not a permanent fix, or something I should be expected to do every time a tab becomes unresponsive. There ought to be a way to detect and kill unresponsive tabs.

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by oconnore »

mcrittenden wrote: post #21
oconnore wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every OS I have ever used has a way to hide system tray icons. Windows has had this since 98, both Gnome and KDE have it, and OSX has it. What is the problem exactly? And how are you so annoyed by a 16x16 pixel red O? Please never try to drive in NYC...

It's annoying to me too. I can't just hide all my tray icons because I need some of them, and the red O makes my desktop/theme look crappy since all the other icons are white (using GNOME with Orta theme + Faenza icons).

Yes, I understand that. You can configure the system tray to hide icons from specific programs. That way you have every icon except for Opera. The program need not include an option to hide it.

Right click > Properties

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by scythe »

Ennis wrote: post #17
budman wrote: post #4

The Best. Been a big fan of Opera browser for a long time now. There was a minor speed bump of bugs when 10.x first came out but starting at 10.10 it has been top notch. Once you learn all of Opera's nuances using any other browser feels outdated and not as well thought out for a user. Speed is right there with Chrome, built in mail/rss and now with the 11.x extensions there is no more excuses to try it. The little b…

"built in mail/rss" I was an Opera evangelist for many years but all the extra bundled apps I never use finally pushed me to chrome.

The RSS is good, the Opera mail is good... the IRC and bittorrent, on the other hand, are not very good at all, which is sad, because it would be very nice if they were!

Re: Opera 11 goes final

#26

Post by pkamb »

After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well:

1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs.

2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" button of the next tab ends up exactly under your mouse pointer. This is such a nice and natural feature that you forget there was any alternative. Firefox and Opera both get this so wrong.

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by G_Wen »

pkamb wrote: post #26

After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well: 1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs. 2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" bu…

This is interesting I have my tabs placed to the left and it works fine. When the tabs are placed at the top however they cannot be clicked on from the edge of the screen. Placing the tabs on the left has always made sense to me since most websites are designed for resolutions that are far smaller than 1920 pixels. The real real estate is the vertical space. Placing the tabs on the left also allows me to have a small preview of the page without waiting for the mouse over. I understand this solution is not for everyone.

Opera seems to listen to the community relatively closely so hopefully these two issues can be solved in a future patch (or maybe even an extension).

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by pkamb »

G_Wen wrote: post #27
pkamb wrote: post #26

After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well: 1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs. 2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" bu…

This is interesting I have my tabs placed to the left and it works fine. When the tabs are placed at the top however they cannot be clicked on from the edge of the screen. Placing the tabs on the left has always made sense to me since most websites are designed for resolutions that are far smaller than 1920 pixels. The real real estate is the vertical space. Placing the tabs on the left also allows me to have a small…

Yeah I've submitted bug reports about the tab-clicking thing, but their response has always been "but how else would the user drag the window!?!". Stupid. I'd love to see the metrics on how often users drag a full-screen window vs. how often they click a tab.

Re: Opera 11 goes final

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Post by SkyMarshal »

pkamb wrote: post #26

After a quick look-over, I'll be sticking with Chrome due to two small UX issues that Chrome does exceedingly well: 1. Despite both having "tabs on top", in Chrome tabs extend all the way to the edge of the screen. In Opera, there's a small unclickable border area. This is a basic, basic Fitts' Law mistake that makes it so much harder to click tabs. 2. Chrome does that thing where when you close a tab, the "close" bu…

Opera lets you bypass the anachronistic 'tab' metaphor completely:

http://imgur.com/XuMkx.png

Use Ctrl-Tab to switch between tabs the same way you Alt-Tab between windows. Close a tab with Ctrl-F4, similar to closing windows with Alt-F4.

Firefox with Vimperator does even better - t to open a tab to a url or search string, d to close a tab, Ctrl-n and Ctrl-p to tab between them.

Of course, Chrome's Vim extension replicates similar functionality. Either way, reducing mouse-keyboard context-switching is useful.

Re: Opera 11 goes final

#30

Post by SkyMarshal »

joakin wrote: post #3

This is a great browser, and the competition is always good for the users. For me it was easier when the only choice was hating IE and going for Firefox, right now i struggle between my emotions to use one or other wonderful browser as my main one... When firefox 4 comes its going to be even harder...

Heh, same. I've been cycling b/t Opera, Chrome, Chromium, and FF for years now. Right now I'm stuck on FF b/c Vimperator is so awesome, but now that Opera 11 can have full-fledged extensions, that might change. Or, maybe not since FF4 is shaping up to be amazing too.
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