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Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by whymauri »

ivl wrote: post #8
beat wrote: post #4

Nice to see they're banning the Flat Earthers. Because the Flat Earthers need MORE evidence that the TRUTH!!! is being suppressed by Big Corporations.

It might see a few of the existing flat earthers harden their view, but I suspect they'll gain fewer followers overall when hidden from mainstream content. What's interesting is that fracturing hateful communities does decrease the spread of their message[0]. I have to think that we could see similar trends with fringe theories, like the earth being flat, or bleach being a cure for autism. Which would in turn prevent…

This is basically what happened when Reddit banned racist subreddits. Everyone cried

"But my free speech!"

"Won't they just polarize even harder?"

"Won't they just operate in the ShAdOwS?"

Except that didn't happen. The people left for Voat, and then Voat died. Banning harmful communities works time-and-time again, and it would work for YouTube if they actually did anything. For every 'guideline update' or press release they do about content moderation, they do basically nothing. The one exception was the sketchy videos with children, but their solution has been pretty heavy-handed and reactionary. I think that's the problem: YouTube has never been pro-active in moderating its platform and it shows.

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by bgravinz »

Many very popular religions are supremacist in nature.

And pretending otherwise to allow them to skirt the censors just makes the entire censor regime seem like a hollow power play by a company trying to keep from sinking in a turbulent political time.

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by sp332 »

h2odragon wrote: post #14

Now they're taking responsibility for editing content, we can assume they implicitly endorse anything they haven't banned, right?

They're only removing content that's "bad" along certain axes. They can still disagree with remaining content for other reasons.

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by ivl »

whymauri wrote: post #21
ivl wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might see a few of the existing flat earthers harden their view, but I suspect they'll gain fewer followers overall when hidden from mainstream content. What's interesting is that fracturing hateful communities does decrease the spread of their message[0]. I have to think that we could see similar trends with fringe theories, like the earth being flat, or bleach being a cure for autism. Which would in turn prevent…

This is basically what happened when Reddit banned racist subreddits. Everyone cried "But my free speech!" "Won't they just polarize even harder?" "Won't they just operate in the ShAdOwS?" Except that didn't happen. The people left for Voat, and then Voat died. Banning harmful communities works time-and-time again, and it would work for YouTube if they actually did anything. For every 'guideline update' or press rele…

Even more interesting on that article I linked about exactly that: the people who stayed stopped being as racist / hateful towards fat people. They didn't drag their garbage ideas along to the new places they started posting (on reddit). It wouldn't surprise me if some of them even evolved a little and abandoned those views.

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by ameister14 »

whymauri wrote: post #21
ivl wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It might see a few of the existing flat earthers harden their view, but I suspect they'll gain fewer followers overall when hidden from mainstream content. What's interesting is that fracturing hateful communities does decrease the spread of their message[0]. I have to think that we could see similar trends with fringe theories, like the earth being flat, or bleach being a cure for autism. Which would in turn prevent…

This is basically what happened when Reddit banned racist subreddits. Everyone cried "But my free speech!" "Won't they just polarize even harder?" "Won't they just operate in the ShAdOwS?" Except that didn't happen. The people left for Voat, and then Voat died. Banning harmful communities works time-and-time again, and it would work for YouTube if they actually did anything. For every 'guideline update' or press rele…

Are you talking about 2015? Because I seem to remember something else happening with racists and borderline people polarizing hard in 2015-2016

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by RobertRoberts »

happytoexplain wrote: post #17
RobertRoberts wrote: post #11

Some very hateful things have come out of Google. Who gets to define hate? Edit: Changed to more reasonable assertion.

That's a pretty dramatic assertion - in the field of hateful things, you'd have to be pretty extreme to qualify as "some of the most hateful". What do you have in mind?

That is fair. I edited my comment.

My question remains though, every power in the history of the world has oppressed others based on some logic. (hate?)

And in my limited understanding of human nature and history, the oppressors rarely (if ever) see themselves as evil.

All it takes is for Google to label questioning Google as hate, and they can do whatever they want.

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by Fellshard »

sp332 wrote: post #12

Counterpoint: https://twitter.com/shaun_jen/status/1136068719262752769 (link to screenshotted thread https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1136055959476817921 ) https://twitter.com/reckless/status/1136088138357493761 YouTube tried to explain this decision on background to us, but I made the call to ignore it because they won't go on the record. YouTube has a major harassment problem, but an even bigger problem with…

A series of articles in mainstream publications does tend to make you recalculate profit implications. Since their ToS and its enforcement are so consistently fuzzy, they can just follow where the wind is blowing.

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by beat »

ivl wrote: post #8
beat wrote: post #4

Nice to see they're banning the Flat Earthers. Because the Flat Earthers need MORE evidence that the TRUTH!!! is being suppressed by Big Corporations.

It might see a few of the existing flat earthers harden their view, but I suspect they'll gain fewer followers overall when hidden from mainstream content. What's interesting is that fracturing hateful communities does decrease the spread of their message[0]. I have to think that we could see similar trends with fringe theories, like the earth being flat, or bleach being a cure for autism. Which would in turn prevent…

I'm proof-reading a book that a friend of mine is writing about how normal right-wing/conservative populism becomes corrupted by fascist/hate stuff, and a big part of it is hate groups actively "normalizing" their content and spreading it via mainstream social media like twitter and youtube. That way, they show up alongside more mainstream political thought. If hate speech, even "polite" hate speech, is consigned to its own dedicated world rather than sharing ours, it doesn't spread the same way.

Re: Our ongoing work to tackle hate

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Post by sp332 »

sp332 wrote: post #12

Counterpoint: https://twitter.com/shaun_jen/status/1136068719262752769 (link to screenshotted thread https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1136055959476817921 ) https://twitter.com/reckless/status/1136088138357493761 YouTube tried to explain this decision on background to us, but I made the call to ignore it because they won't go on the record. YouTube has a major harassment problem, but an even bigger problem with…

3x update: They walked that last part back, so it's only kinda dumb now. https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1136363701882064896
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