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Apple Plans End of iTunes

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Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

#21

As someone who prefers to own music and organize it how I want, this is incredibly disappointing. I have no doubt that Apple Music will include only a fraction of the features I've come to depend on.

If you want to organise your music how you want, why were you using iTunes in the first place - an app which organises your music for you? Surely it was already not suitable for your particular workflow and never aimed or claimed to be?

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

#22
Good move. I predicted this in my 'iTunes will never work well' post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12527098

"At this point, whatever the causes of the product problems with iTunes and related iOS apps — feature scope, management, team structure, etc. —we can be pretty sure that the only ‘solution’ will appear when this software achieves end-of-life, the same way that the mystery of how to set recording time on VCRs was finally solved by their obsolescence."

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I remember when iTunes came out for Windows ca. 2003. I had friends with Macs so I leapt at the chance to try it for myself---it just seemed lightyears ahead of whatever I was using to interface with my music library at the time (Winamp, probably). And what a long, slow, weird, decline it's been since then.

Minority here, I never understood why music players shifted towards iTune-ish style of owning and re-categorizing everything in their own way... I mean, OS has a file system, why not just rely on it? Throw some searchable tags in, and you get the same abilities but without obscurity.

Because despite what everyone thinks again and again, music is not hierarchical, as a file system is. Does my album go under the composer, the conductor, the orchestra or the soloist?

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#24
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All backups have to go to iCloud now?

> Without iTunes, customers can manage their Apple gadgets through the Music app. Presumably this will get moved into Music.

This section was super disappointing. It sounds more like iTunes is being rebranded to Music since it’s still going to be the hub for managing iOS devices. What exactly is changing here other than the name?

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#25
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> Apple has pushed the iPad as a laptop replacement for years. But many pro users have noted that while the hardware is capable enough, the software is still behind. As other HN users have noted in the past, until Apple gives me access to a terminal where I can run the command line tools required for my work, I have absolutely zero interest in replacing my laptop with an iPad.

Apple’s usage of the word “user” (as in “pro user”) doesn’t usually mean to include developers. “Pro users” refers to the category of people who use computers as a black box to do professional things.

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#26
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Minority here, I never understood why music players shifted towards iTune-ish style of owning and re-categorizing everything in their own way... I mean, OS has a file system, why not just rely on it? Throw some searchable tags in, and you get the same abilities but without obscurity.

Because despite what everyone thinks again and again, music is not hierarchical, as a file system is. Does my album go under the composer, the conductor, the orchestra or the soloist?

It goes under Albums, no?

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#27
I really hope the next iOS makes some sort of "leapfrog" UX change where we move away from icons on a grid for the home screen, especially for iPad.

I know this may alienate and confuse some iOS users, but I trust Apple can figure out some way for this to be intuitive for their users.

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#28
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I remember when iTunes came out for Windows ca. 2003. I had friends with Macs so I leapt at the chance to try it for myself---it just seemed lightyears ahead of whatever I was using to interface with my music library at the time (Winamp, probably). And what a long, slow, weird, decline it's been since then.

Minority here, I never understood why music players shifted towards iTune-ish style of owning and re-categorizing everything in their own way... I mean, OS has a file system, why not just rely on it? Throw some searchable tags in, and you get the same abilities but without obscurity.

No you don’t.

With iTunes you could have smart playlists like “create a list of all of the songs I haven’t played in X days”.

Normal people didn’t want to tag songs and use the filesystem.

Do I really need to bring up the “No Wireless. Less Space than a Nomad. Lame.” Meme and how geeks didn’t get the iPod?

https://slashdot.org/story/01/10/23/1816257/apple-releases-i...

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#29
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> Apple has pushed the iPad as a laptop replacement for years. But many pro users have noted that while the hardware is capable enough, the software is still behind. As other HN users have noted in the past, until Apple gives me access to a terminal where I can run the command line tools required for my work, I have absolutely zero interest in replacing my laptop with an iPad.

You are in a tiny minority. I say this as a fellow member of that minority. But our complaints have (and should have) very little to do with what Apple does or doesn't do with iPads.

Apple is not in the business of designing tools, they are in the business of making money. We’re gonna end up using ipads regardless of our needs.

Re: Apple Plans End of iTunes

#30

I really hope the next iOS makes some sort of "leapfrog" UX change where we move away from icons on a grid for the home screen, especially for iPad. I know this may alienate and confuse some iOS users, but I trust Apple can figure out some way for this to be intuitive for their users.

Why?
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