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A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Post by okusername »

magduf wrote: post #8
saagarjha wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They will, but the school will just make policies outlawing clothing that covers facial features (or may have some already).

If they outlaw burqas, they can face lawsuits over religious freedom.

Burqas are already outlawed in some parts of europe, it's dehumanizing and extremists symbol. Also by that ideology, women would not go to school anyways.

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Post by chronic372033 »

pjmorris wrote: post #10
whatshisface wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already against the rules to cover your face in many schools. Besides, if the system can't recognize you, you will be marked as absent - so the punishment for defeating the surveillance system is the same as the punishment for breaking the rule it's intended to enforce. Those teenagers are dependent on the civic involvement of adults, they can't save themselves.

If the system is subject to false positives, students will figure out a way to exploit that, e.g. marked as present when absent via 'masks', Mission Impossible-style.

> If the system is subject to false positives, students will figure out a way to exploit that, e.g. marked as present when absent via 'masks', Mission Impossible-style.

I can assure you, the teams of PhDs from Stanford and MIT will address those cases. Just like how Google knows if you're clicking random ads.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

radcon wrote: post #14

I'm so glad I grew up during a time when you didn't have to worry about every single second of your life potentially being captured on video and used for some nefarious purpose. I can't imagine being a kid in this type of environment. Then again, many of the kids who will be unwillingly subjected to this probably aren't informed enough to understand the potential long-term consequences of pervasive surveillance, whic…

Paul Graham has an essay on how (US) school is mostly used as a prison

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Post by ErikVandeWater »

deogeo wrote: post #18

The stated aims of the system are easily covertly expanded (and there is ample history to indicate that will happen) to turn the school into a panopticon, building a social graph and personality profile of kids as they grow up. To me this looks like an openly hostile act.

If the kids are allowed to know their "social scores" many of them will compete to get the lowest to be cool. I kind of hope the administrators make this mistake. It would give me great Schadenfreude.

Re: A NY School District Defies State, Plans To Proceed With Facial Recognition Test

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Post by walterbell »

quickben wrote: post #22

A bit incomplete title then. They are also testing legal boundaries, population reaction, and few other things that are morally objectionable.

We need to invent a category of property rights for the results of such testing against non-consenting populations. That would create an economic incentive for lawyers to do what they do best.

We already have legal precedent for paying reparations for undisclosed tests against civilians.

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