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Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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post #8

It seems OPs major complaint is that they are not healthy. But unless I'm mistaken, healthy isn't even part of their marketing. Their main thing is how it's better for the environment.

Also when stacked next to a processed beef patty, Beyond Meat patties are by far healthier without a doubt.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

#22
post #16

A lot of fear mongering there. His argument boils down to: 1. Beyond burger has canola oil in it, and canola oil is responsible for diabetes, dementia, depression, anxiety, aggression, and kills kittens. Okay, I made the last one up, but he did claim the other ones. And they're all nonsense, except for the bit where he mentions canola oil has an unhealthy ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, which it does, but he convenientl…

On the point about canola oil, it's not so much that it's a good fat (it is), but that it becomes a trans fat when heated (all vegetable oil). Since this is not a salad with a drizzle of canola oil, but a burger, that is something you should care about.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

#23
post #5

These fake meat products shouldn't be much healthier than pink slime burgers made of ground beef and fat. Most burgers are made of 20 to 30% fat trimmings anyway, and the rest is ground beef. All types of oils are not good for us, oil in general is not a health food, no even extra virgin olive oil. The backlash against these fake meat products will come slowly but surely, these are not heath foods and should only be…

> All types of oils are not good for us, oil in general is not a health food, no even extra virgin olive oil. I don't buy this. Omega 3 is the obvious counter example, but I don't even believe that olive oil is outright bad for you.

It has to do with the processing, olive oil is a food extract. Olives are awesome, olive oil is not, it's not a health food unlike popular belief.

It's not a whole food, most of the nutrients and the whole fiber has been taken out by the processing.

Olive oil only contains modest amounts of some vitamins, that can be easily obtained elsewhere.

Otherwise, it's almost 100% liquid fat with little micro-nutrient content.

You mean fish oil? I think here people are talking about plant oils. Fish oil is not a health food either, AFIK it's no longer recommended by the American Heart Association https://www.cardiovascularbusiness.com/topics/practice-manag...

For a pollutant free source of Omega 3, there is algae oil at very small amounts, or most people bodies just make their own Omega 3, just like any other animal.

How do herbivores get their Omega 3? Through diet, ground flax seeds is a great way to help your body produce Omega 3.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

#24
post #20

I always assumed fast food was unhealthy and full of artificial ingredients, even real patties can have negative health effects. I would not consider those meat replacements to be healthy but they surely are good enough to replace fast food patties. Also I re-read his tweets and I can't find the part where it's clearly stated that transfat are used, I just see oil being mentioned in those ingredient lists.

  > Also I re-read his tweets and I can't find the part where
  > it's clearly stated that transfat are used
I don't think he's saying Beyond Burgers contain trans fats. I think he's saying Beyond Meats are doing the same thing Crisco etc did when they marketed hydrogenated vegetable oils as a replacement for animal fats. It seems like a valid comparison.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

#25
post #16

A lot of fear mongering there. His argument boils down to: 1. Beyond burger has canola oil in it, and canola oil is responsible for diabetes, dementia, depression, anxiety, aggression, and kills kittens. Okay, I made the last one up, but he did claim the other ones. And they're all nonsense, except for the bit where he mentions canola oil has an unhealthy ratio of omega-6 to omega-3, which it does, but he convenientl…

I'm not sure I can follow. There is quite some data about vegetable oils being unhealthy, some of them being quoted by him. Why make this sound absurd?

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All types of oils are not good for us, oil in general is not a health food, no even extra virgin olive oil. I don't buy this. Omega 3 is the obvious counter example, but I don't even believe that olive oil is outright bad for you.

You should not buy this, olive oils are one of the healthiest sources of fat on this earth. Plenty of studies confirm it.

AFIK extra virgin olive oil is at best neutral for human health, while other oils are detrimental. There are the chemical compounds formed with the eating of certain oils, besides olive oil has very little micro-nutrient content, it's almost 100% fat.

Whole olives are a great source of plant fat, but olive oil is not. Eating the whole food is crucial, instead of these highly processed extracts.

Of course, it's much better than other foods such as saturated fat, but still it's not a health food.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

#27
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> All types of oils are not good for us, oil in general is not a health food, no even extra virgin olive oil. I don't buy this. Omega 3 is the obvious counter example, but I don't even believe that olive oil is outright bad for you.

It has to do with the processing, olive oil is a food extract. Olives are awesome, olive oil is not, it's not a health food unlike popular belief. It's not a whole food, most of the nutrients and the whole fiber has been taken out by the processing. Olive oil only contains modest amounts of some vitamins, that can be easily obtained elsewhere. Otherwise, it's almost 100% liquid fat with little micro-nutrient content.…

I'm not sure that the above can be summarised as "oils are not good for us". If the oil was removed from olives, the resulting olives would not be healthier.

If the fish oil was removed from fish, the resulting fish would not be healthier.

I'm not sure how this became a debate about vegetarianism either.

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

#28
post #8

It seems OPs major complaint is that they are not healthy. But unless I'm mistaken, healthy isn't even part of their marketing. Their main thing is how it's better for the environment.

Also when stacked next to a processed beef patty, Beyond Meat patties are by far healthier without a doubt.

How do you figure that?

Re: Beyond Meat and Impossible Foods Are the Trans Fat Purveyors of Our Generation

#30
I don't know why some people want vegetarian food to taste like meat. I enjoy eating meat, but the best vegetarian foods that I had did not taste like meat at all, and it is how it should be. It's like with sugar, if I want to avoid consuming it, I don't replace it with sweetener, I just don't put the sugar in and enjoy the untainted taste of the other ingredients.
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