Nasa Says Earth Is Greener Today Than 20 Years Ago Thanks to China, India

Post by ixtli » Tue, May 28, 2019, 2:38 PM UTC

umadon wrote: post #18

ixtli wrote: post #10

I think its very important to engage with the fact that this is something China can do because of what we in the west deem unacceptably "authoritarian" governance. This effect isn't entirely due to people's starry-eyed conservationism: the government arrests people and closes factories that violate these ecological goals. By way of example, this happened a few weeks ago and is very difficult to find coverage of in en…

"the government arrests people and seizes factories that violate these ecological goals" Why isn't this a good thing? Shouldn't people who ignore ecological laws be punished? And anyway, how do you propose to fix climate change without massive, centralized planning, including punishment of those who subvert such a fix for personal gain? Also, in your link, the plants are closed, not seized.

Post by ixtli » Tue, May 28, 2019, 2:41 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #19

ixtli wrote: post #10

I think its very important to engage with the fact that this is something China can do because of what we in the west deem unacceptably "authoritarian" governance. This effect isn't entirely due to people's starry-eyed conservationism: the government arrests people and closes factories that violate these ecological goals. By way of example, this happened a few weeks ago and is very difficult to find coverage of in en…

On the other hand, India is more federated and much less centralized (nor authoritarian) and they’ve achieved progress in this area too!

Post by ixtli » Tue, May 28, 2019, 2:42 PM UTC

umadon wrote: post #18

ixtli wrote: post #10

I think its very important to engage with the fact that this is something China can do because of what we in the west deem unacceptably "authoritarian" governance. This effect isn't entirely due to people's starry-eyed conservationism: the government arrests people and closes factories that violate these ecological goals. By way of example, this happened a few weeks ago and is very difficult to find coverage of in en…

"the government arrests people and seizes factories that violate these ecological goals" Why isn't this a good thing? Shouldn't people who ignore ecological laws be punished? And anyway, how do you propose to fix climate change without massive, centralized planning, including punishment of those who subvert such a fix for personal gain? Also, in your link, the plants are closed, not seized.

Post by aaronbrethorst » Tue, May 28, 2019, 2:44 PM UTC

pm90 wrote: post #17

whatshisface wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It won't take a dictator to plant trees, just government spending. In fact the EPA has done a lot without eliminating democracy in the US.

....And it’s currently run by a fossil fuel lobbyist. While I’m not arguing for the US to not be a democracy, it’s important to accept that democracies are not perfect, have many flaws and require constant vigilance to ensure the knobs of State power don’t end up in the hands of incompetent idiots (as they are in the current administration).

Post by Aunche » Tue, May 28, 2019, 2:46 PM UTC

inapis wrote: post #15

These kind of article raises more questions than answers. Leaving aside politics on this, I need to know more. How does this "greening" help? Is it more due to agriculture or forests? If it's due to agriculture, what are the unintended consequences? While this article is positive in its tone (which I appreciate) I can't help but feel that it's shallow. It's green so yayy! But what comes next? Increased greenery due t…