The story reminded me of myself. Made good money programming for 15 years, invested early in crypto, semi-retired for the last 5 years. Spend days learning technologies, working on my own projects. Nothing took off yet. Thinking of getting a remote job, but they seem to pay little - $70/hr is the best I encountered so far. 5 years ago I was making $90-150/hr.
Young White Dudes Are Decidedly Opting Out of the Whole ‘Job’ Thing
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#22Speculation at it's best. Lol.
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#23When the boomers in HR bend over backwards to get more "women in X" and more "minorities in X", then "young white dudes" are going to take the hint and make their own arrangements. That, and these kids (regardless of race or gender) are getting f-ed in general. I see so many places paying them less than what I was making in their position 20 years ago, and life didn't get any less expensive since then.
And for the downvoters: sorry, but discrimination is discrimination. Avocado toast boy never kept a woman under his thumb or made people use a different water fountain. Why should he be penalized for what someone else's grandparents did?
You’re being downvoted because your claim that white men are victims of discrimination is ridiculous and not worth debating.
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#24When the boomers in HR bend over backwards to get more "women in X" and more "minorities in X", then "young white dudes" are going to take the hint and make their own arrangements. That, and these kids (regardless of race or gender) are getting f-ed in general. I see so many places paying them less than what I was making in their position 20 years ago, and life didn't get any less expensive since then.
> When the boomers in HR bend over backwards to get more "women in X" and more "minorities in X", then "young white dudes" are going to take the hint and make their own arrangements. I, for one, am glad this isn't the 50s anymore. I have a feeling I wouldn't very much enjoy working with "young white dudes" who have contempt for diversity in the workplace.
Diversity is fine. What people are nervous about is if the meritocracy is destroyed to get it. Of course, it doesn’t have to be that way (we can have both diversity and a meritocracy), but bad apples could go about it the wrong way (sacrificing one or the other), and those orgs/companies/careers should probably be avoided as unsustainable.
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#25Fact-light, moral panicky, vaguely anti-white / anti-male filler. That's 30 seconds of my life I won't get back. Hope to save a few readers the effort.
The article also fails to provide a single statistic or study to back up any of its claims.
From the first paragraph: https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/essay/millennial-life-how-yo...
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
And for the downvoters: sorry, but discrimination is discrimination. Avocado toast boy never kept a woman under his thumb or made people use a different water fountain. Why should he be penalized for what someone else's grandparents did?
"Still has a higher chance of being hired, overall" is not being penalized.
Most state hiring boards (schools, colleges, administrators, etc) and federal contractors add points to minority, female, and veteran candidates--essentially a deduct from white male non-veterans.
That they are still winning with a handicap doesn't change the fact that they are being penalized.
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#27Fact-light, moral panicky, vaguely anti-white / anti-male filler. That's 30 seconds of my life I won't get back. Hope to save a few readers the effort.
From the article:
> In 2018, Bloomberg reported something similar. “Though employment rates have been climbing back from the abyss, young men never caught up again,” writes Jeanna Smialek. “Millennial males remain less likely to hold down a job than the generation before them, even as women their age work at higher rates.”
> Admittedly, the focus of Smialek’s article and the data she cites is mainly around men without a college degree. But the explanation that Nathan Butcher, then a 25-year-old high school graduate, gave her — “I’m very quick to get frustrated when people refuse to pay me what I’m worth” — is strikingly similar to the one Carlin gives me.
Am I wrong in reading this as "An article on Bloomberg talked about young men mostly without college degrees, and I found a college graduate who sounds like someone from that article, so I can extrapolate this for all young men"? It's not even a handful of anecdotes; it's just the one, and is presented without additional content to help describe why this one case is representative, which is fairly disappointing.
And while the beginning is at least pretty fair in how it represents its hyperlinks, which do lead to real data that is definitely useful and interesting, I started to notice that they got less frequent towards the end. There were things said by a Michael Madowitz but:
The Michael Madowitz cited throughout the article is from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_American_Progress, which Wikipedia describes as a "public policy research and advocacy organization which presents a liberal viewpoint on economic and social issues". Not that there's anything explicitly and directly wrong with that, but I'm certain the author could've found a source without an explicit political lean, or have compensated for it somehow by bringing in other viewpoints.
On the whole, I would say that while some of the content this article is made of/links to is useful, the composition itself is not.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not that young of a brownish white male, but just got word through a side channel that I was rejected for a position because I'm a "white dude". Really fucking lame.
At my current company, there are no white guys in middle management. Zero. Let that sink in.
That's because the salaries are most likely not what a white guy is willing to accept.
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#30Fact-light, moral panicky, vaguely anti-white / anti-male filler. That's 30 seconds of my life I won't get back. Hope to save a few readers the effort.
Which part? I don't necessarily agree with all of it, but it certainly seem to describe the situation of myself once upon a time, many of my friends and many who I have met.