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Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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That's really depressing that you think that way. That way of thinking is pretty dangerous. I know it's a "slippery slope", but thinking that certain people shouldn't express their opinions on things in a public place goes against everything the internet gave us so many years ago.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, no one has a right to their own facts though. I get what you're saying but there are consequences to certain types of misinformation (ex.: anti-vaxxers). It's a complicated issue.

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Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Underwater volcanoes are responsible for climate change. Prove me wrong.

The onus is on the person making the claim to bring evidence to the discussion. "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissd without evidence" -- C. Hitchens Since the comment was removed or deleted it originally said something like "Underwater volcanoes are the cause of Climate Change -- prove me wrong"

Perhaps the only thing more absurd that original is censoring it and removing it.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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That's really depressing that you think that way. That way of thinking is pretty dangerous. I know it's a "slippery slope", but thinking that certain people shouldn't express their opinions on things in a public place goes against everything the internet gave us so many years ago.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, no one has a right to their own facts though. I get what you're saying but there are consequences to certain types of misinformation (ex.: anti-vaxxers). It's a complicated issue.

If you take away the right for anti-vaxxers (or climate change deniers in the OP's case) to talk about things on a public platform where they're actively ridiculed, they're going to go underground and create their own communities under the radar.

Say someone goes to that community to try and convince them otherwise and says "hang on, vaccines don't cause autism, here's some research articles", they'll get banned and their post removed, and everyone in the separate community is none the wiser and nobody who uses that community will ever have the chance to be convinced otherwise.

So if you really wanted to stamp out the anti-vaxxers, I guess you'd have to have some kind of monitoring to make sure they don't post anything anywhere about anti-vaxx views. That would need to be done by someone or something powerful, say... Facebook or the government? I don't trust Facebook as their ulterior motive is selling your data for sweet sweet ad money, and I don't trust the government as many governments have shown in the past many times they can't be trusted to regulate speech of citizens (not that I would EVER want to regular speech)

So - why not just let them speak on large public platforms and have them get laughed at?

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Underwater volcanoes are responsible for climate change. Prove me wrong.

Humans are responsible for climate change. Prove me wrong.

The sun and natural variables in the incredibly complex climate system are FAR larger factors.

Prove me wrong.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion, no one has a right to their own facts though. I get what you're saying but there are consequences to certain types of misinformation (ex.: anti-vaxxers). It's a complicated issue.

If you take away the right for anti-vaxxers (or climate change deniers in the OP's case) to talk about things on a public platform where they're actively ridiculed, they're going to go underground and create their own communities under the radar. Say someone goes to that community to try and convince them otherwise and says "hang on, vaccines don't cause autism, here's some research articles", they'll get banned and…

> they're going to go underground and create their own communities under the radar

I dunno, they're already doing that anyway. And OP clearly has no interest in actually sticking around and debating this point, just in trolling us, so it's not like flagging their post shuts down conversation in any meaningful way.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The onus is on the person making the claim to bring evidence to the discussion. "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissd without evidence" -- C. Hitchens Since the comment was removed or deleted it originally said something like "Underwater volcanoes are the cause of Climate Change -- prove me wrong"

Perhaps the only thing more absurd that original is censoring it and removing it.

It's not removed. Turn "showdead" on in your profile.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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You, and opinions stated as facts by ignorant people are exactly what is wrong with the internet. I used to think everyone having a voice was a wonderful, liberating new freedom for the whole world. The last few years have really changed my mind.

That's really depressing that you think that way. That way of thinking is pretty dangerous. I know it's a "slippery slope", but thinking that certain people shouldn't express their opinions on things in a public place goes against everything the internet gave us so many years ago.

cakeface claimed to be stating fact, not opinion. cakeface supplied no evidence, and instead attempted to reverse the burden of proof. And the claimed fact is rather farcical on its face; it certainly needs some evidence in order to be believed.

No, I don't think much would be lost from the discussion if that comment were removed. We'd lose some noise, but very little signal.

I agree that there is a slippery slope. I don't know where to draw the line. But HN gives us a way to downvote and flag comments like this one for a reason - they add negative value, and the discussion is better off without them.

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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Underwater volcanoes are responsible for climate change. Prove me wrong.

The onus is on the person making the claim to bring evidence to the discussion. "What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissd without evidence" -- C. Hitchens Since the comment was removed or deleted it originally said something like "Underwater volcanoes are the cause of Climate Change -- prove me wrong"

Since the question has been asked, I found this to be relatively convincing to the casual observer:

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-wo...

Re: Ship spies largest underwater eruption ever

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... gas trapped inside the black volcanic material.

Sudden release of such gases has been suspected in the case of a number of sudden ship disappearances over the centuries. If a bubble's volume is large relative to the ship's, the ship will drop to the bottom as the gas forces water from under the hull. Then the surrounding seas crash onto the decks.

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