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Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care

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Re: Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care

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Post by smacktoward »

badrequest wrote: post #14

> "Whilst y'all dimwits call us unpopular, we're busy running the world - from health and banking to government and Telco companies. Adobe's Evangelism Kit points out that Coldfusion is utilized by over 70% of the Fortune 100." this is unprofessional and doesn't help drive your point. You're arguing that "dimwits" perceive popularity as a good measurement of the value of a language, and then you point to the language…

The stronger argument is a few lines down:

> The kit also points out that 70% of Adobe Coldfusion customers are still building new apps with CF - meaning that they still consider the platform viable for future expansion.

If you believe that number (and I'm skeptical, but let's grant it for the purposes of discussion), that indicates that CF is still a going concern in most places that use it, rather than something cordoned off in a dark corner as "maintenance mode." And people generally don't start new projects on platforms they believe are going to go away soon.

Note, however, the shifting goalposts: we hear that 70% of Fortune 100 companies use CF, and then that 70% of "ColdFusion customers" are starting new projects in CF, but that doesn't mean 70% of Fortune 100 companies that use CF are starting new projects with it. We have no idea how many of those big enterprises that use CF still consider it viable. But by placing the two numbers in sequence like that, the Evangelism Kit plants the suggestion in your mind that lots of them do.

Re: Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care

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Post by bdcravens »

pwnna wrote: post #3

Is there something we can do to the title to distinguish the Coldfusion language with nuclear cold fusion? The title seems applicable to both and even the first paragraph could be misleading if you assumed the latter.

On a forum dedicated principally to programming I assume languages, the same way I assume the same when talking about Ruby and Python. (Instead of gemstones and snakes)

Re: Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care

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Post by lcfcjs2 »

Of course people who are experts in CF like CF. They get to blackmail companies for thousands an hour because no one else knows how it works.

It's call "modernizing", and it's not the devs fault that companies are unwilling to modernize and pay triple what they would if they used something that wasn't ancient and redundant.

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Post by shagmin »

Coldfusion has a unique place in the world of programming languages. In its prime it was a great way to get a website started with minimal effort, similar to PHP. Both PHP and Coldfusion let you create simple websites, easy to deploy, full of spaghetti code. But with PHP's free/open source model, enough people developed an interest in it outside of cubicle farms to really grow their knowledge and the language, unlike Coldfusion... which became a hotbed of corporate legacy code for junior developers to learn bad practices from.

Source: Was Coldfusion developer for approximately 10 years.

Re: Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care

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Post by vkhn »

bdcravens wrote: post #19
vkhn wrote: post #9

The problem with Coldfusion isn't with it's popularity, usefulness or value. It's with Adobe and the cost of licensing. The only reason right now someone would choose Coldfusion over literally anything else free is their existing skill. That's the very definition of dying out. The other problem with Coldfusion is the community that all seem to have this same chip on their shoulder.

To be fair, there is an open source implementation. (We’ve run Railo/Lucee for years on our old CFML code)

You're right of course, but I'm betting that development didn't start with the open source implementation.

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Post by xtracerx »

Aggressive defensiveness of this calibre is not a good look and probably reinforces any stereotype people have of developers who would consider themselves ColdFusion devs. I don't think anyone would have a problem with someone who is a dev, that does cold fusion. but to act like that's all you are going to know and define your self that way is pretty lame.

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Post by sergj »

pwnna wrote: post #3

Is there something we can do to the title to distinguish the Coldfusion language with nuclear cold fusion? The title seems applicable to both and even the first paragraph could be misleading if you assumed the latter.

I was also confused. I thought this article was about how the cold fusion hobbyist movement is dying down because the topic is becoming unpopular. Fusion and cold fusion are discussed from time to time here, so it is not super obvious.

Re: Coldfusion is “Unpopular” – I don’t care

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Post by wmblaettler »

pwnna wrote: post #3

Is there something we can do to the title to distinguish the Coldfusion language with nuclear cold fusion? The title seems applicable to both and even the first paragraph could be misleading if you assumed the latter.

Perhaps proper spelling/casing: ColdFusion. Though the title here mirrors the article's title.
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