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Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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It's 2019 and people still like to mock cultures and traditions blindly. The article does a pretty good job of explaining a lot of the situation in a grounded, rational way -- especially concerns over the uses and potential abuses of taxpayer money. The US essentially deifies the Founding Fathers even though we're living in a world with influences and technologies they could never have anticipated. Why is it ok care…

I'd say the grand parent view comes from an uneasiness at anything hereditary, although there's much less objection to hereditary wealth for some reason. So I'd say it comes from a dichotomy between hereditary wealth and hereditary power, although it's well known that monarchs in democracies are tightly constrained while hereditary wealth brings hereditary power. It might be the inevitable tie between monarchy and re…

Yes, very well said.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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It's 2019 and people still like to mock cultures and traditions blindly. The article does a pretty good job of explaining a lot of the situation in a grounded, rational way -- especially concerns over the uses and potential abuses of taxpayer money. The US essentially deifies the Founding Fathers even though we're living in a world with influences and technologies they could never have anticipated. Why is it ok care…

I'd say the grand parent view comes from an uneasiness at anything hereditary, although there's much less objection to hereditary wealth for some reason. So I'd say it comes from a dichotomy between hereditary wealth and hereditary power, although it's well known that monarchs in democracies are tightly constrained while hereditary wealth brings hereditary power. It might be the inevitable tie between monarchy and re…

Off the top of my head, most Western European monarchs headed governments in exile on the side of the allied powers, where are you getting that a great many sided with the wrong side of history?

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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It's 2019 and people still like to mock cultures and traditions blindly. The article does a pretty good job of explaining a lot of the situation in a grounded, rational way -- especially concerns over the uses and potential abuses of taxpayer money. The US essentially deifies the Founding Fathers even though we're living in a world with influences and technologies they could never have anticipated. Why is it ok care…

Some cultures do need to be mocked. Obvious example - women should be treated equal to men, whatever your culture is. The developed world has some aspects which should be mocked too and monarchy is one of them.

It's 2019 and you still distinguish "women" and "men" as categories? How backwards and oppressive. Let me mock you instead of trying to understand what you are saying and trying to help you understand what I am saying.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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its 2019 and people in developed countries still care about (and support with their taxes) kings, queens, emperors and such?!

I wonder, of civilizations that have lasted the longest, which ones had kings, queens, emperors and such versus the opposite?

That's not an argument that something is good. Civilizations willing to perpetuate genocide tend to survive longer and achieve more economic success than those unwilling to, for instance (they face fewer external threats).

To be clear I disagree with the person you're responding to - I just think we should be careful about counterarguments with significant collateral moral damage.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some cultures do need to be mocked. Obvious example - women should be treated equal to men, whatever your culture is. The developed world has some aspects which should be mocked too and monarchy is one of them.

It's 2019 and you still distinguish "women" and "men" as categories? How backwards and oppressive. Let me mock you instead of trying to understand what you are saying and trying to help you understand what I am saying.

please do, I’m not going to throw you in jail or chop of your head

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say the grand parent view comes from an uneasiness at anything hereditary, although there's much less objection to hereditary wealth for some reason. So I'd say it comes from a dichotomy between hereditary wealth and hereditary power, although it's well known that monarchs in democracies are tightly constrained while hereditary wealth brings hereditary power. It might be the inevitable tie between monarchy and re…

Off the top of my head, most Western European monarchs headed governments in exile on the side of the allied powers, where are you getting that a great many sided with the wrong side of history?

Italy, Germany, Greece, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia and more:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_monarchies#Mode...

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

#27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 2019 and people still like to mock cultures and traditions blindly. The article does a pretty good job of explaining a lot of the situation in a grounded, rational way -- especially concerns over the uses and potential abuses of taxpayer money. The US essentially deifies the Founding Fathers even though we're living in a world with influences and technologies they could never have anticipated. Why is it ok care…

I'd say the grand parent view comes from an uneasiness at anything hereditary, although there's much less objection to hereditary wealth for some reason. So I'd say it comes from a dichotomy between hereditary wealth and hereditary power, although it's well known that monarchs in democracies are tightly constrained while hereditary wealth brings hereditary power. It might be the inevitable tie between monarchy and re…

> So I'd say it comes from a dichotomy between hereditary wealth and hereditary power

Which is, of course, a false dichotomy, since wealth is power.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder, of civilizations that have lasted the longest, which ones had kings, queens, emperors and such versus the opposite?

That's not an argument that something is good. Civilizations willing to perpetuate genocide tend to survive longer and achieve more economic success than those unwilling to, for instance (they face fewer external threats). To be clear I disagree with the person you're responding to - I just think we should be careful about counterarguments with significant collateral moral damage.

You’ve taken my response to another degree, but I wholeheartedly do not disagree with you. In fact I admire it. I think you want to remind us that we as humans are horrible when given power, irrespective of title.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 2019 and people still like to mock cultures and traditions blindly. The article does a pretty good job of explaining a lot of the situation in a grounded, rational way -- especially concerns over the uses and potential abuses of taxpayer money. The US essentially deifies the Founding Fathers even though we're living in a world with influences and technologies they could never have anticipated. Why is it ok care…

Some cultures do need to be mocked. Obvious example - women should be treated equal to men, whatever your culture is. The developed world has some aspects which should be mocked too and monarchy is one of them.

Mockery is the antithesis to a dispassionate examination of how things evolved to be the way they are, and without an understanding of that, it's not really possible to bring about change in any orderly, lasting way.

Re: Abdication, Succession and Japan’s Imperial Future: An Emperor’s Dilemma

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its 2019 and people in developed countries still care about (and support with their taxes) kings, queens, emperors and such?!

> its 2019 and people in developed countries still care about (and support with their taxes) kings, queens, emperors and such?!

It's the 21st century and people still seem to consider inheritance of aristocratic levels of wealth acceptable too.

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