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Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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>which could take forever depending on investor taste for losses If the existing investors had much more of a taste for losses, why the IPO?

Stupid retail money. Greater fool theory.

But if the existing investors thought that Uber will win if they only just piss away a bit more money, they would have dumped the money in rather than let the stock go to the public.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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Stupid retail money. Greater fool theory.

But if the existing investors thought that Uber will win if they only just piss away a bit more money, they would have dumped the money in rather than let the stock go to the public.

Yes.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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It's going to be a wild ride. While (*most) people seem to like using Uber, headlines about how the unit economics don't work, how drivers can't make a living, how their working conditions aren't tenable keep popping up. How does Uber intend to address this? In addition, I have questions about the service's ability to grow significant multipliers. It really feels like they've reached the majority of their markets thr…

You're investing in driverless cars at this point.

I am a bit more cynical and I would say you are investing in paying off the earlier investors.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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It's going to be a wild ride. While (*most) people seem to like using Uber, headlines about how the unit economics don't work, how drivers can't make a living, how their working conditions aren't tenable keep popping up. How does Uber intend to address this? In addition, I have questions about the service's ability to grow significant multipliers. It really feels like they've reached the majority of their markets thr…

You're investing in driverless cars at this point.

Sounds like a euphemism for betting on horses.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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Facebook's IPO was also off to a rather rough start[1], so I am not putting much stock into what happens in a single day.

I have not purchased or plan to purchase any Uber stock, I just think it's important to have perspective on this event.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initial_public_offering_of_Fac...

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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Doing exactly what Uber wants isn't how you kill them. They're subsidizing the rides right now, but if everybody followed your uncle's advice, Uber would very quickly "win" the rideshare wars, establish their long-sought-after monopoly, and raise prices.

Better to support legislation that pushes the minimum wage up for rideshare and taxi drivers in top markets (see: Lyft $17/hr minimum in NYC). Faster death than trying to bleed Uber and Lyft dry through rides (which could take forever depending on investor taste for losses), and full self driving won't arrive anytime soon. Ride the populism wave.

So basically you're saying that you should use laws to send them out of business instead of basic economics?

Why wouldn't you pass a tax on search and social media companies that sets the minimum wage of engineers to 1 million dollars a year if you want to break up twitter, google, and facebook? That's logical equivalancy.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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Better to support legislation that pushes the minimum wage up for rideshare and taxi drivers in top markets (see: Lyft $17/hr minimum in NYC). Faster death than trying to bleed Uber and Lyft dry through rides (which could take forever depending on investor taste for losses), and full self driving won't arrive anytime soon. Ride the populism wave.

So basically you're saying that you should use laws to send them out of business instead of basic economics? Why wouldn't you pass a tax on search and social media companies that sets the minimum wage of engineers to 1 million dollars a year if you want to break up twitter, google, and facebook? That's logical equivalancy.

Basic economics have failed when a company that has existed for over a decade without any ability to turn a profit IPOs. And indeed, I am all for using laws against abusive corporate entities.

I am also for using data protection laws (and not minimum wage regulations) to break the ability of social media companies to survive (or at the very least, rein them in). Have to use the right tool for a job.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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But if the existing investors thought that Uber will win if they only just piss away a bit more money, they would have dumped the money in rather than let the stock go to the public.

Yes.

So therefore we have a very good idea of the taste for losses amoung existing Uber investors. And the taste for losses in the stock market is fairly guessable.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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It's going to be a wild ride. While (*most) people seem to like using Uber, headlines about how the unit economics don't work, how drivers can't make a living, how their working conditions aren't tenable keep popping up. How does Uber intend to address this? In addition, I have questions about the service's ability to grow significant multipliers. It really feels like they've reached the majority of their markets thr…

OR how about the super questionable culture of the company and its executives and leadership? Those are such red flags by themselves... This is a horrid company with a horrible past that wouldn't die because of VC money.

How is the internal culture today? We all know the horror stories of one/two years ago but I haven't seen anything in what feels like a long time.

Re: Uber goes into reverse as first day stock price disappoints

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So basically you're saying that you should use laws to send them out of business instead of basic economics? Why wouldn't you pass a tax on search and social media companies that sets the minimum wage of engineers to 1 million dollars a year if you want to break up twitter, google, and facebook? That's logical equivalancy.

Basic economics have failed when a company that has existed for over a decade without any ability to turn a profit IPOs. And indeed, I am all for using laws against abusive corporate entities. I am also for using data protection laws (and not minimum wage regulations) to break the ability of social media companies to survive (or at the very least, rein them in). Have to use the right tool for a job.

Laws against abusive company practices I am all for. Laws written with a specific company in mind, less so. Of course a specific company's behaviour can be a trigger for the drafting of a law, but if so, that law should be carefully thought through in light of the general rather than the specific issues, otherwise you just end up playing kingmaker.
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