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A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by thatoneuser »

anbop wrote: post #20
mises wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree it's wrong, but assault usual implies a physical attack (or, more specifically, the threat thereof). I'm not sure this qualifies; it may be a situation where laws need tweaking to keep up with the times. Certainly malpractice, though.

It’s a physical attack, it’s literally inserting a baby into someone under conditions that were not consented to.

Repeating that's it's assault doesn't just make it assault. How do you know what the conditions anyone signed were? Just gleaming an opinion from a headline?

Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by thatoneuser »

Wtf is everyone here claiming it's assault or a sex crime? The very beginning of the article clearly states it's legal in most states and unless these people had some stipulation as to who it came from - I see no reason why the doctor can't use his own sperm. Do you all think it would be the same transgression if a female doctor used her eggs?

How about the ethical quagmire of all the male med students in the initial years who gave their sperm under pressure or without understanding the consequences? Why is it OK to have people working under the doctor donate sperm but not the doctor himself?

Misandry these days...

Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by [deleted] »

thatoneuser wrote: post #21
anbop wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s a physical attack, it’s literally inserting a baby into someone under conditions that were not consented to.

Repeating that's it's assault doesn't just make it assault. How do you know what the conditions anyone signed were? Just gleaming an opinion from a headline?

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Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by chomp »

zxcmx wrote: post #12
lurquer wrote: post #9

It's odd that the article, which briefly addressed a few ethical issues, did not address the ethical issues regarding the underlying cause of the problem; namely, women using sperm banks.

Is there an ethical problem with the idea of sperm banks?

Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple:

- Anonymity vs non-anonymity: does a child have a right to know who their biological parent is? Is it ethical to donate, create offspring, and remain anonymous? Some family predispositions to certain health issues aren't fully understood (I didn't realize my family had a predisposition to dementia until just a couple years ago when my grandparents started nearing end of life), these genetic anomalies aren't always known at time of donation, and thus won't be handed over to the offspring. Another issue, some sperm banks send out cease and desists when the children attempt to track down the biological father. (Thanks 23andme!) Is it ethical for a sperm bank to threaten legal ramifications on people who attempt to contact their biological father?

- Age restrictions: We don't currently fully understand the effect of male age on creating children. Some studies suggest that there is a higher rate of autism, but this is only just now coming to light. Many sperm banks don't have much on age restrictions.

- Number of donor offspring: Is it ethical to allow numerous offspring from one sample? There are cases where a single male has fathered over 100 children, way way more than any normal male.

- Are sperm banks a form of eugenics? Sperm banks have differing policies on the acceptance of "Acceptable" sperm; e.g. certain height, low obesity propensity, college background, etc. If a sperm bank offers the top 1% genetic material, and people can pay to have elite genetic children, is this ethical?

Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by lurquer »

swirepe wrote: post #14
zxcmx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an ethical problem with the idea of sperm banks?

It's a stretch, but maybe they're talking about anonymous vs non-anymous donors? That's the biggest thing in the ethics section of the Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_donation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_tourism

Let's take a step back for a second... whether one agrees or not, it is obvious and not fairly deniable that this type of reproduction was illegal in most countries until just a few decades ago. Many major religions condemn the practice. (Until relatively recently, ALL branches of Christianity condemned it.)

It would be worth mentioning the underlying reasons for these views in such an article.

Allow me to be blunt (at the risk of getting downvoted): Does jerking off and selling your cum to strange women raise ethical issues? I think the question answers itself.

Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by swirepe »

lurquer wrote: post #26
swirepe wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a stretch, but maybe they're talking about anonymous vs non-anymous donors? That's the biggest thing in the ethics section of the Wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sperm_donation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertility_tourism

Let's take a step back for a second... whether one agrees or not, it is obvious and not fairly deniable that this type of reproduction was illegal in most countries until just a few decades ago. Many major religions condemn the practice. (Until relatively recently, ALL branches of Christianity condemned it.) It would be worth mentioning the underlying reasons for these views in such an article. Allow me to be blunt (…

> Does jerking off and selling your cum to strange women raise ethical issues?

I agree, cum should be free. Eggs I can see paying for because the supply is limited, but things like blood or semen should be free.

Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by lyxsus1 »

chomp wrote: post #25
zxcmx wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an ethical problem with the idea of sperm banks?

Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple: - Anonymity vs non-anonymity: does a child have a right to know who their biological parent is? Is it ethical to donate, create offspring, and remain anonymous? Some family predispositions to certain health issues aren't fully understood (I didn't realize my family had a predisposition to dementia until just a couple years ago when my grandparents started nearing end o…

Let me help you.

> does a child have a right to know who their biological parent is?

Not necessarily

> Is it ethical to donate, create offspring, and remain anonymous?

Yes

> Some family predispositions to certain health issues aren't fully understood ... these genetic anomalies aren't always known at time of donation, and thus won't be handed over to the offspring

Same thing with conservative methods, not relevant

> Is it ethical for a sperm bank to threaten legal ramifications on people who attempt to contact their biological father?

Yes

> We don't currently fully understand the effect of male age on creating children.

Again, not relevant

> Is it ethical to allow numerous offspring from one sample?

Yes

> Are sperm banks a form of eugenics?

Sometimes, yes

> If a sperm bank offers the top 1% genetic material, and people can pay to have elite genetic children, is this ethical?

Yes

Re: A Fertility Doctor Using His Own Sperm: Ethical and legal considerations

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Post by new2626 »

lyxsus1 wrote: post #28
chomp wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Off the top of my head, I can think of a couple: - Anonymity vs non-anonymity: does a child have a right to know who their biological parent is? Is it ethical to donate, create offspring, and remain anonymous? Some family predispositions to certain health issues aren't fully understood (I didn't realize my family had a predisposition to dementia until just a couple years ago when my grandparents started nearing end o…

Let me help you. > does a child have a right to know who their biological parent is? Not necessarily > Is it ethical to donate, create offspring, and remain anonymous? Yes > Some family predispositions to certain health issues aren't fully understood ... these genetic anomalies aren't always known at time of donation, and thus won't be handed over to the offspring Same thing with conservative methods, not relevant >…

This is not "help", but a flippant answer not addressing any of the interesting points brought up in the parent comment.
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