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When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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I can't believe this actually needs to be said, but a single employer raising its wages is not the same thing as a government raising a legally mandated minimum wage. It's so much not the same thing, that the very fact the article tries to conflate them by comparing Ford's decision with the proposal from the Obama administration makes me doubt the voracity of the entire piece. For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sou…

> For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sound precisely because he's the only one raising wages. Except that the rest of the industry followed suit as well, which, by your logic, should have nullified any advantage. But it didn't. There are other points to the article that naysayers completely miss (because it disagrees with their set-in-stone world view, it seems). Well paid workers, even if common across the entire…

>Except that the rest of the industry followed suit as well

How long did it take for the rest of them to follow suit, and was it just the automotive industry, or the entire market that did so?

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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post #5

I can't believe this actually needs to be said, but a single employer raising its wages is not the same thing as a government raising a legally mandated minimum wage. It's so much not the same thing, that the very fact the article tries to conflate them by comparing Ford's decision with the proposal from the Obama administration makes me doubt the voracity of the entire piece. For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sou…

> Furthermore, the idea that people become richer because the number on the bottom of their check goes up, rather than the buying power of that number, is easily debunked by looking at the entire history of inflation. I'm easily making more money, in nominal dollars, than an average CEO in 1919, but I'm not running wild in Saint-Tropez every summer either.

This argument makes no sense. Raising the minimum wage doesn't affect everyone equally like inflation does. It affects only those with the lowest income, with maybe a trickle-up effect to those making somewhat more.

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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> For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sound precisely because he's the only one raising wages. Except that the rest of the industry followed suit as well, which, by your logic, should have nullified any advantage. But it didn't. There are other points to the article that naysayers completely miss (because it disagrees with their set-in-stone world view, it seems). Well paid workers, even if common across the entire…

>Except that the rest of the industry followed suit as well How long did it take for the rest of them to follow suit, and was it just the automotive industry, or the entire market that did so?

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Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sound precisely because he's the only one raising wages. Except that the rest of the industry followed suit as well, which, by your logic, should have nullified any advantage. But it didn't. There are other points to the article that naysayers completely miss (because it disagrees with their set-in-stone world view, it seems). Well paid workers, even if common across the entire…

>Except that the rest of the industry followed suit as well How long did it take for the rest of them to follow suit, and was it just the automotive industry, or the entire market that did so?

> was it just the automotive industry, or the entire market that did so?

Ford basically started the trend that would create the middle class in the US at large (somewhat arguable, but commonly attributed to him and this decision).

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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There is a massive difference between employers raising minimum wage (healthy for the economy, good for the individual, healthy for the employer), and the government raising minimum wage ( hurts the economy, regressive against low income individuals, bad for the individual, bad for employers).

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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Ford doubling his minimum wage is simply an example of capitalism (not government) raising wages. This is why capitalism is the greatest economic system (by a mile) ever devised.

And it's so common we have 1 example from a century ago and we're still talking about it.

There are far more failed socialist regimes

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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post #5

I can't believe this actually needs to be said, but a single employer raising its wages is not the same thing as a government raising a legally mandated minimum wage. It's so much not the same thing, that the very fact the article tries to conflate them by comparing Ford's decision with the proposal from the Obama administration makes me doubt the voracity of the entire piece. For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sou…

> Furthermore, the idea that people become richer because the number on the bottom of their check goes up, rather than the buying power of that number, is easily debunked by looking at the entire history of inflation. I'm easily making more money, in nominal dollars, than an average CEO in 1919, but I'm not running wild in Saint-Tropez every summer either. This argument makes no sense. Raising the minimum wage doesn'…

It affects everyone equally who would get minimum wage. If when Ford increased their minimum, every other company Ford competed for workers against also raised their minimum, then it wouldn't have the same retention effect.

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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post #5

I can't believe this actually needs to be said, but a single employer raising its wages is not the same thing as a government raising a legally mandated minimum wage. It's so much not the same thing, that the very fact the article tries to conflate them by comparing Ford's decision with the proposal from the Obama administration makes me doubt the voracity of the entire piece. For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sou…

100% agree. In Ford's case, it was a voluntary decision to attract and keep the best workers. In the case of federally mandated minimum wage, it's a threat of force against business owners who are otherwise acting peacefully and quite literally, minding their own business.

Raising the minimum wage results in: - A raise in the price of products (hurting the poor the most) - Firing employees - Reducing hours - Going out of business - Outsourcing

I'm a business owner, and I'm not going to sit here eating up the cost of a higher minimum wage. The central planners don't seem to understand this -- or they do, and they ultimately want more people dependent on them. If that's the case, raising the minimum wage is a great idea.

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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post #5

I can't believe this actually needs to be said, but a single employer raising its wages is not the same thing as a government raising a legally mandated minimum wage. It's so much not the same thing, that the very fact the article tries to conflate them by comparing Ford's decision with the proposal from the Obama administration makes me doubt the voracity of the entire piece. For one thing, Ford's logic is quite sou…

>makes me doubt the voracity of the entire piece.

the piece does not seem especially hungry to me

Re: When Henry Ford Doubled His Minimum Wage (2014)

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post #20

You aren’t getting the complete picture if you discuss the $5 workday without also mentioning Ford’s Sociological Department. They were basically a group of investigators that looked into numerous aspects of Ford’s employees personal lives. If your kid didn’t go to school, if you kitchen wasn’t clean enough, if you spent too much time at the bar, if you weren’t saving enough, you wouldn’t qualify for $5 a day. That n…

Please don’t give anyone ideas ;-).
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