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Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm thinking of a particular congresswoman that almost certainly isn't going to do it because she'd lose the vote of pretty much every blue collar worker that aspires to have a stable job somewhere like Boeing. It's not an obvious political win. Edit: Ah, the good ol' "reality makes me unhappy so I'll shoot the messenger" down-votes. I don't know why I even comment in any of the Boeing threads anymore.

If it were me, I'd rail against the Boeing _leadership_. Frame it as management's greed putting blue collar jobs at risk (by putting sales and corporate reputation at risk).

You can "frame" it either way. If your goal is to get elected it doesn't seem prudent to wade into this kind of issue unless you can be sure that you can successfully frame it the way you want.

There's lower hanging political fruit out there.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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Wow, I'd be surprised if some young congressperson doesn't make their career by publicly eviscerating Boeing soon.

I hope you don't think it's going to be a US congresscritter. "Why do you hate American jobs!"

You can turn that logic around real quick since Boeing also makes planes and other equipment for the US military:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Defense,_Space_%26_Secu...

You don't hate the troops after all, do you?

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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This is pretty disturbing and makes me far more confident in my decision to never set foot on a Boeing airplane again.

I thought the American airlines had all opted for the AoA disagree light, but now it sounds like Southwest didn't have it because Boeing lied to them and said it was standard.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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I always had great respect for aerospace and thought they'd put safety above all else but seeing all this, Boeing seems like a fucking travesty.

Boeing opened its South Carolina plant to avoid a unionized workforce, and that plant has been responsible for producing these horrific excuses they call airplanes. They had the benefit of a doubt before, but now it's clear that Boeing's leadership, like that of other public companies, values cheap labor over safety.

Gosh, it's almost like corporate greed is ruining our country.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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post #6

I always had great respect for aerospace and thought they'd put safety above all else but seeing all this, Boeing seems like a fucking travesty.

Boeing opened its South Carolina plant to avoid a unionized workforce, and that plant has been responsible for producing these horrific excuses they call airplanes. They had the benefit of a doubt before, but now it's clear that Boeing's leadership, like that of other public companies, values cheap labor over safety.

This is not a manufacturing issue. It is all on poor engineering and poor management making poor decisions.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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post #6

I always had great respect for aerospace and thought they'd put safety above all else but seeing all this, Boeing seems like a fucking travesty.

It didn't always used to be this way - at one point Boeing delivered planes that were substantially safer than their competitors. Moving the HQ to Chicago was a terrible idea. Companies like boeing should be managed by engineers not salespeople.

It's hard to keep a mistress when she lives in the same city as your wife.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So let's not make a fuss about safety, because of jobs?

Where did I say that? All I said is that it wasn't a clear political win because it could easily be framed as a jobs issue.

> she'd lose the vote of pretty much every blue collar worker that aspires to have a stable job somewhere like Boeing

It sounds like you're suggesting that we shouldn't hold Boeing too accountable because they wouldn't be able to retain or hire as many blue collar workers.

That definitely could be a side effect but I'd be more concerned about creating safe airplanes than safe jobs.

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

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post #6

I always had great respect for aerospace and thought they'd put safety above all else but seeing all this, Boeing seems like a fucking travesty.

Boeing opened its South Carolina plant to avoid a unionized workforce, and that plant has been responsible for producing these horrific excuses they call airplanes. They had the benefit of a doubt before, but now it's clear that Boeing's leadership, like that of other public companies, values cheap labor over safety.

I'm not sure how unions have any relations to this. They exist as a mediator between management and workers for pay and rights; customer satisfaction or safety is completely outside their domain

Re: Boeing waited until after Lion Air crash to tell Southwest safety alert was off

#30
I've recently contacted all of the major airlines that fly the 737 Max as well as my congressional representatives and the FAA to let them know I have serious reservations about a software fix to the aircraft.

If this issue is concerning to you I'd recommend you do the same. To make it easier, I've put the links to all the contact sites below.

United Airlines https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/customer/customercare

Southwest Airlines https://www.southwest.com/contact-us/contact-us.html

American Airlines https://www.aa.com/contact/forms?topic=CR#/

Find your Congressional representatives https://www.house.gov/representatives/find-your-representati...

FAA https://hotline.faa.gov/

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