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The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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"As to academic freedom, Professor Charney’s complaint argues that the criticisms of his classroom performance, and thus the decision not to renew his appointment, really had to do with his “radical free speech” approach, in which he forced his students to discuss controversial viewpoints on hotly contested issues of politics and public policy. The panel finds no evidence, however, that anyone at Sanford objected to Professor Charney’s raising of any particular issue, or expression of any particular viewpoint, in his classroom. Indeed, Professor Charney stressed that he intentionally introduces provocative views on all sides of issues and that students would have difficulty determining his personal views.

The issue was not what Professor Charney discussed but how he handled discussion of difficult and emotional issues with and among students. Professor Charney perhaps could have made more effort to learn to manage classroom discussion of difficult topics in a manner that would have left all students feeling fully heard and respected."[1]

In short, not everyone felt warm and fuzzy when discussing difficult issues - something which I believe to be a near impossibility - not when we live in a world where even presenting a dissenting opinion can be considered offensive -- indeed letting the discussion go where it may, would probably make many people feel uncomfortable.

[1] https://drive.google.com/file/d/1qrGaqKye_5hJxEAFYmTrzNYLJeX...

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #18

I have read probably 4 or 5 of these articles, written by professors/teachers, claiming to have been punished for their speech. 2 common threads about them. The first is that they rarely discuss specifics about what positions or what opinions got them censured. The second is that the comments section is typically full of drive by commenters who aren't responding to the content of the post in particular but to the ide…

Why should specifics of what is said matter if the point is free speech?

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #18

I have read probably 4 or 5 of these articles, written by professors/teachers, claiming to have been punished for their speech. 2 common threads about them. The first is that they rarely discuss specifics about what positions or what opinions got them censured. The second is that the comments section is typically full of drive by commenters who aren't responding to the content of the post in particular but to the ide…

his research publications help to provide a fuller picture:

https://sites.duke.edu/evancharney/files/2014/09/Liberal-bia...

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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This is the world we live in now. Doesn’t matter if you actually harmed someone. What matters now is whether someone feels you as doing harm. The word of the person who perceives harm is taken as fact and the accused has little to no recourse or defense.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #18

I have read probably 4 or 5 of these articles, written by professors/teachers, claiming to have been punished for their speech. 2 common threads about them. The first is that they rarely discuss specifics about what positions or what opinions got them censured. The second is that the comments section is typically full of drive by commenters who aren't responding to the content of the post in particular but to the ide…

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Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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> Unfortunately, a growing number of university students equate being made uncomfortable in the classroom with being “harmed.”

University is a place of learning as they say. An important thing to learn is how to exert power over those around you. One way of doing that is to leverage the irrationality of large institutions in your favor.

Large institutions, including whole countries, buy into different ideologies at different times. And so, to exert power over someone you just have to denounce them as not falling in line with the current ideology. You can then bet on the system "crushing" them so to speak without you lifting a finger.

In a communist totalitarian country, if you didn't like your neighbor's haircut, just tell the police they engaged in propaganda against the workers' party, and there is a good change their livelihood could get considerably worse. It just takes one phone call.

Want ruin someone's life in US today? Call child protective services and tell them you saw their kids playing unsupervised outside and you're "very worried" and hang up. Then watch them get house and work visits for quite a while.

Going back to the article at hand, I suspect there is a similar process happening in some of these cases. For every student actually feeling harmed by a professor like this, there is a student who realizes they can claim they are harmed, and then they can both eliminate the professor, and gain social standing points for "standing up" and "fighting against the system". Two birds with one stone so to speak. That is indeed a very important and valuable lesson to learn.

> Last April, I was informed that my contract would expire in one year—and was then assigned to teach two classes of the very same required Sanford course, one in the fall and one this spring, in which I supposedly had a tendency to harm students. If Sanford actually believed their own rhetoric, they would be guilty of knowingly endangering their students.

This is beautiful. Pure ideology at work. You can tell because of the ridiculous contradiction at play. Everyone in the game knows that the professor didn't harm anyone, otherwise why the heck would they ask him to teach another class. But they also know that they will suffer a similar fate if they don't fall in line.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #18

I have read probably 4 or 5 of these articles, written by professors/teachers, claiming to have been punished for their speech. 2 common threads about them. The first is that they rarely discuss specifics about what positions or what opinions got them censured. The second is that the comments section is typically full of drive by commenters who aren't responding to the content of the post in particular but to the ide…

Why should specifics of what is said matter if the point is free speech?

Free speech is necessary, but not sufficient. It isn't simply that the speech has to be free; it also must be worth exploring.

To use my analogy, the Earth-centered model is free speech, but it isn't worth much, because it is wrong.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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More and more this safe space bullshit is infiltrating the former bastions of free-thought. It is a disturbing trend where it no longer matters if someone can convey a counter argument to any given point of view, the mere presence of a point of view contrary to the modern anti-liberal left world view - even if purely rhetorical - breaches the safe space contract and justifies censuring or even punishment.

It will only lead to a greater chilling effect as time goes on, and whereas great universities once taught the ability to critically consider the available information, they are rapidly reaching the point where they only serve to push people towards grossly limited and increasingly dogmatic world views.

In an increasingly polarised society it terrifies me that both of the the left and the right seem to consider liberty an enemy.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #18

I have read probably 4 or 5 of these articles, written by professors/teachers, claiming to have been punished for their speech. 2 common threads about them. The first is that they rarely discuss specifics about what positions or what opinions got them censured. The second is that the comments section is typically full of drive by commenters who aren't responding to the content of the post in particular but to the ide…

What radical idea he was teaching?

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

#30
This "trigger warning" and "harm" thing.. I've been out of tertiary education too long to understand it. I'm sure it's not only American but it feels like an American crafted problem taken worldwide.

Future leaders in minority communities need to be able to defend themselves but learning to do it by firing academics on negative feedback feels like the wrong lesson. I'd rather they did it in a real ballot box, not in academia. The guy may be a complete dick, but I don't get the feeling he's David Duke or John Birch society stooge.

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