> Liu also bought items on Amazon.cn only to find disappointment, as it took him two days to receive them. “How could they call that two-day delivery,” Liu said.
What is he saying?
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#22> Liu also bought items on Amazon.cn only to find disappointment, as it took him two days to receive them. “How could they call that two-day delivery,” Liu said. What is he saying?
I was just about to re-quote this. If you have lived in China before you would understand and agree that two days (the Amazon Prime gold standard) is considered too slow in China.
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#23Earlier quoted context omitted.
It seems to be previous generation tech though
Which is still a better starting point than nothing. On one hand it sucks that China is abusing its position in the global market, but on the other hand I am really not shedding any tears for greedy corporate America getting screwed for once.
Sadly, it's not just greedy "corpo 'merka" getting screwed. Plenty of scrappy software startups with stars in their eyes have services and products that would really improve Chinese lives, but can't or won't operate in-country because it is entirely too much risk.
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#24> Liu also bought items on Amazon.cn only to find disappointment, as it took him two days to receive them. “How could they call that two-day delivery,” Liu said. What is he saying?
The source for that quote is in mandarin, so maybe something got lost in translation.
Edit: My mandarin is elementary school level, but there's a similar quote in the source article that sounds like "therefore they call it 2 day delivery"
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#25> Liu also bought items on Amazon.cn only to find disappointment, as it took him two days to receive them. “How could they call that two-day delivery,” Liu said. What is he saying?
I was just about to re-quote this. If you have lived in China before you would understand and agree that two days (the Amazon Prime gold standard) is considered too slow in China.
But if you're lived in China and used JD or other delivery companies, you have to agree that the delivery fee is insanely cheap for same-day delivery, and that this gig work seems on borrowed time, the costs are going to increase, and the question is, will JD be able to keep this up?
Amazon is using proven multi-decade logistics companies for delivery, so it's pretty certain their internal cost structures are rational.
How much are the JD trucks and delivery guys being paid? How above board is JD's finances? What are they getting from the governments? Perhaps it's just another WebVAN.
These things are never quite clear in China, transparency and public audits are not present.
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#26As a person have actually used TaoBao, JD, and Amazon.cn, I can tell Amazon.cn was far behind them on both execution and product variety. I only have a vague impression of China's rules imposed on business, if they did, for sure Amazon was screwed so badly it didn't move a single inch over the past few years. Literally done nothing at all to compete. I'm not surprised they gave up.
Never used z.cn but saw a few neighbours ordering from them in Shenzhen. Probably recent tech books in English I guess. I did try AWS in China and it was absolutely shocking. Clearly they never prioritized China and the inevitable happened. I run a business in China, it's not easy but it's interesting.
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#27> Liu also bought items on Amazon.cn only to find disappointment, as it took him two days to receive them. “How could they call that two-day delivery,” Liu said. What is he saying?
Well, I guess he counted two-day delivery to include the day he ordered, if it’s so then on the third day things delivered. Btw, those Chinese giants offer same day or second day delivery for their paid prime like customers. JD offers same day delivery in cities like Beijing if ordered before 11am, and second day delivery if not. In China logistics is a big thing for every e-comm company. Even sam’s club in China offers free 2hour delivery on certain items.
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#28As a person have actually used TaoBao, JD, and Amazon.cn, I can tell Amazon.cn was far behind them on both execution and product variety. I only have a vague impression of China's rules imposed on business, if they did, for sure Amazon was screwed so badly it didn't move a single inch over the past few years. Literally done nothing at all to compete. I'm not surprised they gave up.
And the benefits of Amazon China prime members are way less than that of us
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#29This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…
They failed because they were not able to adapt to the Chinese market/have any competitive advantage against alibaba or JD which is the point the article is trying to make. None of what you mentioned is alluded in the article.
Or maybe pandaily was scared to say anything against China. Honestly, the fact that there was no talk about regulation in that article is a huge red flag. Why would China allow international companies to play in their turf when they eComm can generate 100s of billions of dollars of value for local companies (as it has)?
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#30This is why I don't get why companies--tech giants in particular--kowtow to China in the hopes of getting access to the Chinese market. It will never happen. At least, it won't be open access. You'll have to play by Chinese rules (ie integration with the Great Firewall, storing data in China, probably integration with social credit and so on). Worse, there might be (basically forced) "IP transfer". Even after all tha…
Perhaps you didn’t read the article. This has nothing to with government interference. Local players in China are very strong with likes of Alibaba doing massive shopping festivals that easily rivals Thanksgiving. Two day delivery is China is considered slow and nothing to be proud about. On the top of this, it looks there were control issues where leaders at Amazon.cn weren’t empowered to make decisions. I actually would rather ask reverse question: why Alibaba etc aren’t bigger in US or Europe given their far more aggressive take on offering huge catelog at lower prices with ultrafast delivery.