A deaf girl who found her voice after brain surgery • Hacker News Board

Re: A deaf girl who found her voice after brain surgery

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Post by bellerose » Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 5:43 PM UTC

tracer4201 wrote: post #20

bellerose wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sound like a person who isn't educated in determinism and so you think it's crazy nonsense. All external forces upon a person are destined to happen and where nobody has any real control over what they do or think. How's that or maybe just google hard determinism. I witness the same kind of backlash as the flat world thinkers did towards Pythagoras.

Comparing yourself to Pythagoras after blabbering nonsense that has nothing to do with the topic. You must have HN confused with Reddit or 4chan.

You don't know the definition of nonsense. I'm guessing you're from those websites you list.

Re: A deaf girl who found her voice after brain surgery

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Post by em-bee » Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 6:50 PM UTC

bellerose wrote: post #4

It's remarkable how some people in life, were destined to be forever deaf and without any control about it. Yet people preach at any age how we have control instead of teaching how reality really is and where people wouldn't be labouring under delusion. /hard determinist

so what's your point?

either we have control over our fate and can change it, or if me manage to fix the problems we run into we were determined to do so. the end result is the same. we can't tell the difference because we don't know what our fate is. as a result it is pointless to even try to tell a difference. because any attempt to say that we are not determined to solve a problem is defeatist. how can we know which problems we are determined to solve and which not? the only way we can find out is by trying. if we fail, then maybe we are not determined to solve that problem. but we'll never know, therefore we must not give up trying. and in this case we solved the problem, so we obviously were determined to do so, hence no delusion here.

you are deluding yourself if you believe that you can tell your determination. being able to do so would imply that you can see into the future.

because i can't tell the future, i can't tell what i am determined to, hence the whole point becomes moot.

Re: A deaf girl who found her voice after brain surgery

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Post by _nalply » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 7:15 AM UTC

"...can finally tell her parents she loves them"

... and perhaps you have seen those teary videos on Youtube, too, where a toddler hears the first time after a surgery and reacts to sound?

I am afraid that these pieces are at least somewhat disingenuous.

Usually they avoid to put into primary focus two important things:

- that even with surgery the child needs lots and lots of speech therapy (BBC said at least "...years of therapy...")

- and that it doesn't always work out.

These failed experiments are truly tragic: these children never learnt to communicate in a human language and will be mentally limited for their whole life: it's an effect of language deprivation.

The best way to approach a deaf child to minimize risks is a two-pronged approach: The parents should accept that they need to learn a Signed Language and the child should grow up bilingually: both in a Signed Language and in a Voiced Language. This prevents language deprivation if surgery didn't work out optimally.

So, in short: the girl should have been able to tell her parents she loves them long ago!

Disclaimer: I am Deaf myself and opinionated about this subject.

Re: A deaf girl who found her voice after brain surgery

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Post by johnisgood » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 11:27 AM UTC

telesilla wrote: post #2

One day these implants are going to be so sophisticated that we may very well evolve to not have bio-hearing at all. I have friends with implants, and one of them regularly just keeps it switched off to focus on writing. I am deeply envious though of course, at present the bit-depth is not very good from what I understand about the tech, and his brain even after 20 years of having the implant isn't good at differenti…

How do you suppose we are going to evolve to not have bio-hearing at all given that their offspring is not born with these implants?