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> Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Ah, the old “Snowden fled to Russia” trope. That’s false. He was in Russia when the US canceled his passport. As a consequence of that, he was unable to leave Russia.
I've heard this too, looking for reputable source....
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> Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Ah, the old “Snowden fled to Russia” trope. That’s false. He was in Russia when the US canceled his passport. As a consequence of that, he was unable to leave Russia.
I've heard this too, looking for reputable source....
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> (or Chelsea Manning) as a blameless hero like Edward Snowden. Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Who is closer to being "blameless"? And I thought that collusion with Russia is something that people are somewhat concerned about, lately. Also, why are you saying that Assange never made any attempt to crack that password? Why then would he ever want to actively mislead Manning by suggestin…
> Well, let's see, one of them went to Russia, the other didn't. Ah, the old “Snowden fled to Russia” trope. That’s false. He was in Russia when the US canceled his passport. As a consequence of that, he was unable to leave Russia.
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I've heard this too, looking for reputable source....
It was a very, very, very well covered story at the time: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2013/07/24/edward-... (if you don't like USA Today, which was just the top news source listed in my search results, just poke around for 'snowden airport' around the same time period in your preferred news outlet's archives)
I agree. Early on, I thought Assange was a bit of a hero. He provided a forum for people to reveal things that shouldn't be happening and shouldn't be secret. I understand the need for government secrecy, spying, and surveillance. I don't accept that it's ok for governments to break their own laws to spy on their own citizens without warrants or just cause, however. Assange wasn't simply doing this as a neutral party…
There is a place for all these things; but there is distinction between things we know the government has that are not disclosed (eg, the US government has a plan to invade Canada if a crisis warrants it. They might reasonably keep the actual content of the plan secret) vs. secret schemes (it is unknowable what precedent the FISA court has created).
There is a big difference between the two. The first case can be reasonably handled by the democratic process. The second case cannot, and is incompatible with an accountable democracy. People who work against these anti-democratic secrets deserve support even if they are hypocrites; all I ask is that they are effective.
> He worked with the despotic Russian regime...
I find it conspicuous that there is nobody claiming the information in the leaks was false. If the revealing honest thoughts and intentions to the voting public is the scandal (and not the thoughts and intentions themselves) then I don't see why it would influence an election.
If an untimely revelation of facts scuppers the cause, then the cause is not robust and that is the big problem.
Wasn't there an article on HN from Atlantic titled "You don't have to like Assange to defend him" like yesterday?..
Ever since Assange first got into trouble over violating a well-meaning hosts‘ house rules of hygiene (a perennial problem of his, apparently) there have been accusations and conspiracy theories conflating the criminal and political aspects. One should try to avoid this.
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I'm not parent; possibly because he's not a US citizen and what he did falls under the umbrella of protections afforded to journalist?
Not being a US citizen doesn't seem relevant, and, what he is charged with is not within the “umbrella of protections afforded to journalists” (which mostly doesn't exist: the US protects the right to publish, but does not generally have special status-based or for journalists, though “freedom of the press” is sometimes misunderstood that way.)
You may not have been one of the group who said this but that's a hot take from a forum that almost imploded over the "violation of sovereignty" that was the EU applying their GPDR rules to US based companies